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what the hell, you sound like me for goodness sakes and your a college educated person
I'am soooo old school when it comes to drafting injured players I guess, I know most acl's only take 10 months to heal these days, thing is though, some don't, and some players are never the same, that rules out Williams for me, at least in round one.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 13:44I'm torn between signing two and drafting two or signing one and drafting three. And either plan will put some stress on the roster numbers. But I'm game for that problem.
Julio. Sammy. AJ. Fuller.
Williams. Burks. Watson. Pierce. Bell.
Pick 4. Make it happen.
So sign one, see how the draft goes. If we like 3 and pick 3, we're done. If we only get value on 2, sign another after.
My point, of course, is that I know we all want a WR really, really, really bad, but I am not picking a WR at 22 just to pick a WR at 22. If they need to go up to get a guy, do it. If they are content waiting until 29 or Round 2 for the right value, do that. I know this is crazy, but they do not have to pick a WR at 22 just because that is their biggest need.Yoop wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 14:48what the hell, you sound like me for goodness sakes and your a college educated person
there are a half dozen receivers that according to the stuff I've read could be taken in the first round and depending on team fit would be justifiable picks.
I think all 3 of Wilson, London, and Williams even though he may not play till mid season will be gone, these guys check to many intangibles to last till our #22 slot, if we want one we'll have to trade up.
that leaves Olave, Burks, and possibly Pickens, Watkins, and maybe Metchie.
all would fit well in everything we do, of those available I like Olave and Burks I think the most, I wouldn't trade up for the injured Williams, however I would for Wilson or London.
Walters has us taking Olave at #22 and Burks at #29, would love that cept I can't see Burks dropping that far, I think they must think GM's draft according to combine workouts.
I tend to be the same, but the nice thing about having two picks in the first two rounds is we can employ both strategies in each rounds: one pick can be used on the wise value pick, the other can be used to maximize immediate returns and/or plug our biggest holes.
Unless you consolidate picks to move up which is the post I was referring to.
NCF wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 14:57My point, of course, is that I know we all want a WR really, really, really bad, but I am not picking a WR at 22 just to pick a WR at 22. If they need to go up to get a guy, do it. If they are content waiting until 29 or Round 2 for the right value, do that. I know this is crazy, but they do not have to pick a WR at 22 just because that is their biggest need.Yoop wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 14:48what the hell, you sound like me for goodness sakes and your a college educated person
there are a half dozen receivers that according to the stuff I've read could be taken in the first round and depending on team fit would be justifiable picks.
I think all 3 of Wilson, London, and Williams even though he may not play till mid season will be gone, these guys check to many intangibles to last till our #22 slot, if we want one we'll have to trade up.
that leaves Olave, Burks, and possibly Pickens, Watkins, and maybe Metchie.
all would fit well in everything we do, of those available I like Olave and Burks I think the most, I wouldn't trade up for the injured Williams, however I would for Wilson or London.
Walters has us taking Olave at #22 and Burks at #29, would love that cept I can't see Burks dropping that far, I think they must think GM's draft according to combine workouts.
every GM says I pick BPA, but they don't, ya have to pick according to the needs of the team, and there are positional priority's, we all loved Thompson, but like every GM he would try and trade up or down to line up slot value and take the position of NEED, GM's have no choice to do this unless there picking top tier players which typically consist of no more then 6 or 7 player per draft class.go pak go wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 18:23Unless you consolidate picks to move up which is the post I was referring to.
I am willing to part ways with a 3rd to move up. Nothing more though.
okay?Yoop wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 18:38every GM says I pick BPA, but they don't, ya have to pick according to the needs of the team, and there are positional priority's, we all loved Thompson, but like every GM he would try and trade up or down to line up slot value and take the position of NEED, GM's have no choice to do this unless there picking top tier players which typically consist of no more then 6 or 7 player per draft class.
Gute jumped up a few times for players he liked, he jumped 8 or 9 slots for Savage, that wasn't a BPA thing, we needed a safety and he traded up to get the one he liked.
I guess there's a slight difference in philosophy here, but more importantly, I think we view the roster differently.Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 19:00Unless there is a safety, a DLmen, or a WR sitting there in reach for 3 of our first 4 picks, what good does it do to stay put and snag 4 players on a team that only has like 2 holes? I’d be happy to package picks and leap up and get somebody who can fill a hole in 2022 if the situation is Right...and the guys we have our eyes on are getting scooped up while we wait
I would just say it depends on how the board falls. We dont have alot of money to go grab a difference maker, and we need a difference maker at the WR position. Could really use one on the DL, and need to start thinking about Amos replacements...all things we really need.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 22:21I guess there's a slight difference in philosophy here, but more importantly, I think we view the roster differently.Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 19:00Unless there is a safety, a DLmen, or a WR sitting there in reach for 3 of our first 4 picks, what good does it do to stay put and snag 4 players on a team that only has like 2 holes? I’d be happy to package picks and leap up and get somebody who can fill a hole in 2022 if the situation is Right...and the guys we have our eyes on are getting scooped up while we wait
I think this roster has a TON of holes, but very few of them are for starters.
We need a starting WR1. We need a deep threat WR. We need a second starting-caliber ILB. We need one or two rotational DLinemen. We need a RT/G depth with starting potential. We need slot defender depth. We need safety depth. We need a better return man. We need a developmental Y-TE to take over for Lewis and/or Tonyan in a year. We need EDGE depth.
Most of those are rotational, depth pieces, or role players. But you need those to get through a season. And I think we have plenty of room to improve all of those things.
Fortunately for us, rotational, role players, depth, and STs are PERFECT to find in the draft. That's exactly what MOST rookies are good for. Sure, a FEW rookies win starting jobs and perform admirably. If you get two or three in a draft you've done well.
So yeah, we only need to fill two BIG starting-caliber holes. And we can expect/hope to fill those with 4 early draft picks. But we also have a ton of lesser needs that can either remain depth pieces and role players or that can start out there as rookies and develop into more useful players.
And we can fill those positions out at minimum salaries through the draft. And that's what guys like myself and @go pak go are talking about when we say the state of this roster merits using more picks rather than packaging them.
I'm actually glad that you mentioned that. Because that "Packers haven't given Rodgers enough skill guys" narrative has been around for so long. And yet, years from now, many will argue one way or the other on that based upon the 2022 draft alone. It's gonna be a very ironic situation. And I can't wait to chat about it on Packers-huddle!Yoop wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 13:31Rodgers doesn't and never has thrown anything to first round WR picks, cause he's never had a 1st round picked WR to throw something to.
thats about to change in this coming draft, if Gute doesn't figure out a way to get one of the top 4 Rodgers probably will retire after this season, and who would blame him.
I mean we have enough information to start putting names and draft compensation to do it rather than speaking high level "would ifs". We can be in reality.Drj820 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2022 09:32I would just say it depends on how the board falls. We dont have alot of money to go grab a difference maker, and we need a difference maker at the WR position. Could really use one on the DL, and need to start thinking about Amos replacements...all things we really need.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 22:21I guess there's a slight difference in philosophy here, but more importantly, I think we view the roster differently.Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 19:00Unless there is a safety, a DLmen, or a WR sitting there in reach for 3 of our first 4 picks, what good does it do to stay put and snag 4 players on a team that only has like 2 holes? I’d be happy to package picks and leap up and get somebody who can fill a hole in 2022 if the situation is Right...and the guys we have our eyes on are getting scooped up while we wait
I think this roster has a TON of holes, but very few of them are for starters.
We need a starting WR1. We need a deep threat WR. We need a second starting-caliber ILB. We need one or two rotational DLinemen. We need a RT/G depth with starting potential. We need slot defender depth. We need safety depth. We need a better return man. We need a developmental Y-TE to take over for Lewis and/or Tonyan in a year. We need EDGE depth.
Most of those are rotational, depth pieces, or role players. But you need those to get through a season. And I think we have plenty of room to improve all of those things.
Fortunately for us, rotational, role players, depth, and STs are PERFECT to find in the draft. That's exactly what MOST rookies are good for. Sure, a FEW rookies win starting jobs and perform admirably. If you get two or three in a draft you've done well.
So yeah, we only need to fill two BIG starting-caliber holes. And we can expect/hope to fill those with 4 early draft picks. But we also have a ton of lesser needs that can either remain depth pieces and role players or that can start out there as rookies and develop into more useful players.
And we can fill those positions out at minimum salaries through the draft. And that's what guys like myself and @go pak go are talking about when we say the state of this roster merits using more picks rather than packaging them.
Now, whats better...8 new guys of various talents who can be sprinkled in as depth in the years to come...one or two eventually developing into servicable players...or say 4 or 5 new guys on the roster. 3 to 4 of them being quality depth for the years ahead and 1 of them being a bonifide stud who helps the team year one. Think Waddle, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Deebo. All guys who went at different places in the first round.
If there is not "that guy" in this draft...then your plan is probably best and is great. But if there is that guy, and we cant get him at 22...I think now is the time to use assets to go get who can help us win in 2022. Because currently we do not have the weapons at WR to win a SB. However, we do have the assets to obtain the weapons to win a SB by the time the season starts.
I dont think its the time to sit around and draft from our heels and bring in who is around at 22 and think about making them a good player over time. I would use the assets and get a good player right now for the 2022 season, if that player is around and obtainable.
If not, draft 8 or 9 guys and fill out the roster with labor that will pay dividends over time.
I dont think WIlliams or Burks will be around at 22. I would do what needs to be done to secure either. If Gutey is feeling really perky he can jump up and go grab Garrett Wilson.go pak go wrote: ↑29 Mar 2022 09:36I mean we have enough information to start putting names and draft compensation to do it rather than speaking high level "would ifs". We can be in reality.Drj820 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2022 09:32I would just say it depends on how the board falls. We dont have alot of money to go grab a difference maker, and we need a difference maker at the WR position. Could really use one on the DL, and need to start thinking about Amos replacements...all things we really need.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Mar 2022 22:21
I guess there's a slight difference in philosophy here, but more importantly, I think we view the roster differently.
I think this roster has a TON of holes, but very few of them are for starters.
We need a starting WR1. We need a deep threat WR. We need a second starting-caliber ILB. We need one or two rotational DLinemen. We need a RT/G depth with starting potential. We need slot defender depth. We need safety depth. We need a better return man. We need a developmental Y-TE to take over for Lewis and/or Tonyan in a year. We need EDGE depth.
Most of those are rotational, depth pieces, or role players. But you need those to get through a season. And I think we have plenty of room to improve all of those things.
Fortunately for us, rotational, role players, depth, and STs are PERFECT to find in the draft. That's exactly what MOST rookies are good for. Sure, a FEW rookies win starting jobs and perform admirably. If you get two or three in a draft you've done well.
So yeah, we only need to fill two BIG starting-caliber holes. And we can expect/hope to fill those with 4 early draft picks. But we also have a ton of lesser needs that can either remain depth pieces and role players or that can start out there as rookies and develop into more useful players.
And we can fill those positions out at minimum salaries through the draft. And that's what guys like myself and @go pak go are talking about when we say the state of this roster merits using more picks rather than packaging them.
Now, whats better...8 new guys of various talents who can be sprinkled in as depth in the years to come...one or two eventually developing into servicable players...or say 4 or 5 new guys on the roster. 3 to 4 of them being quality depth for the years ahead and 1 of them being a bonifide stud who helps the team year one. Think Waddle, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Deebo. All guys who went at different places in the first round.
If there is not "that guy" in this draft...then your plan is probably best and is great. But if there is that guy, and we cant get him at 22...I think now is the time to use assets to go get who can help us win in 2022. Because currently we do not have the weapons at WR to win a SB. However, we do have the assets to obtain the weapons to win a SB by the time the season starts.
I dont think its the time to sit around and draft from our heels and bring in who is around at 22 and think about making them a good player over time. I would use the assets and get a good player right now for the 2022 season, if that player is around and obtainable.
If not, draft 8 or 9 guys and fill out the roster with labor that will pay dividends over time.
Who is the guy you would do it for and how hard would you go get him?
If Jameson Williams is on the board after #15....I would be okay if we chased him hard. I'd give up a 3rd and another pick if a team #16 on down would want to deal. But that's probably about it.
