Deshaun Watson
Derek Carr
Russell Wilson
Mac Jones (or whoever starts in NE)
Jimmy Garoppolo
Kenny Pickett
Justin Fields
Ryan Tannehill
List not all inclusive. These are just some established guys that aren't under the scrutiny Love currently is.
I also believe Love performs relatively on par with, among others, 2022 Aaron Rodgers.
Quoting myself from page 1 of this thread, way back in May.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 20 Nov 2023 11:33
by Labrev
Rodgers once said something about making a Pythagorean calculation before launching one of his deep balls, I can't remember the specifics and Google didn't help me out.
It sounded like a troll remark but I also kinda wonder if he really did have some 300-IQ mental aspect to his deep ball mastery. It would be pretty on-brand for him. I mean his Hail Mary success (back when his arm was at its peak i.e. NOT the recent years) was just wild. 'Never seen anyone do it better.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 20 Nov 2023 11:36
by Pckfn23
No arm strength issues there. Even throws off his back foot a bit.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
A little loft on a 40 yard down field throw? That's such a ridiculous comment that proves you are just arguing to argue. EVERY QB to ever play the game of football has had to put loft on a 40+ yarder down the field.
there isn't a pass in either vid over 44 yrds in the air, and every one is a air ball, even the 30 yrd TD was a lob to a wide open receiver, several amounted to all out throws, the one you call a 52 yrd completion was only a 44 yrd pass
I'am not arguing to argue , I'am telling you love doesn't have deep ball arm strength, if you want to contend he does ya need to bring more then clips that show he doesn't, again, you can't because there are none.
I've been as supportive of Love as anyone here, but I wont fool myself to think he can do a thing when it's obvious he can't.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 20 Nov 2023 11:42
by lupedafiasco
I don’t think there’s any moving of the goalposts. I’m just stating fact. The charger have the worst pass defense in the league. That should be taken into consideration when Love just had his best game of his career by far.
To me this is the beginning of a success streak if there’s going to be one. He was awful against the Steelers. He made some impressive throws but ultimately he didn’t look good to me and statistically I think I’m backed up in that claim.
I will say again if he can’t get his deep ball together he will never be anything in the league.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I don’t think there’s any moving of the goalposts. I’m just stating fact. The charger have the worst pass defense in the league. That should be taken into consideration when Love just had his best game of his career by far.
I will say again if he can’t get his deep ball together he will never be anything in the league.
It should. He did pretty well last week against a much better defense, though (just not in crunch time). He is still missing the deep ball, mostly underthrows. He isn't late with his throws as much anymore, but still needs to work on anticipation (throwing before the WR is out of his break, etc.). There was a good throw he had to Wicks yesterday that he threw before Wicks was out of his break on a curl, and if he waited until Wicks was "open" the defender probably gets there. I have been very critical of Love but do see progress. He still has a long way to go to be even a mid-tier NFL starter. The difference in arm talent and accuracy between him and Herbert yesterday was obvious.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
No arm strength issues there. Even throws off his back foot a bit.
that ball wasn't over 40 yrds in the air, and it had plenty of loft, why you consider that a strong arm baffles me
Wasn't over 40 yards in the air? Look again and just stop. You are all kinds of wrong. Jordan Love's deep ball issues are not because of lack of arm strength. Period.
Show me a QB not lofting a 40+ yard pass down the field.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
No arm strength issues there. Even throws off his back foot a bit.
wow, that traveled about 45 or so yrds and was his best deep ball this season, and was about all he had as to arm strength, again thats good enough, he was on schedule and it was far enough, but we need more of that rather then the lame duck sky balls.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
No arm strength issues there. Even throws off his back foot a bit.
was about all he had as to arm strength,
Nope. You are wrong. As usual what you call your eye test is clouded by decades of bong resin.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 20 Nov 2023 12:32
by MY_TAKE
I honestly never have worried about Love's arm strength. Seems like he throws it 50 yards in the air without much difficulty. Now, whether or not he is accurate on his deep throws is another story. To me, it seems like his NFL arm strength is average to above average. He is not Justin Herbert but he is not Mac Jones either.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
No arm strength issues there. Even throws off his back foot a bit.
was about all he had as to arm strength,
Nope. You are wrong. As usual what you call your eye test is clouded by decades of bong resin.
whats yours clouded by? you refuse to see limitations because you refuse to deal with it, on that same throw Stafford could have dropped that in the EZ, Rodgers too, as well as half or more of the QB's playing.
when ya see a QB throwing sky balls it's because they can't throw less lofted balls as deep as the sky balls, trajectory is needed because ya can't throw lazers.
if elevation wasn't needed everyone would throw ropes, think about why shooters elevate for distance, it's the same thing.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 20 Nov 2023 12:38
by Pckfn23
I've consistently pointed to Love's accuracy issues, deep ball included. So, yet again, you are wrong.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Nope. You are wrong. As usual what you call your eye test is clouded by decades of bong resin.
whats yours clouded by? you refuse to see limitations because you refuse to deal with it, on that same throw Stafford could have dropped that in the EZ, Rodgers too, as well as half or more of the QB's playing.
when ya see a QB throwing sky balls it's because they can't throw less lofted balls as deep as the sky balls, trajectory is needed because ya can't throw lazers.
if elevation wasn't needed everyone would throw ropes, think about why shooters elevate for distance, it's the same thing.
I too agree that Love should've sacked up and delivered that ball so it landed in the EZ.
Yes it would have been an overthrow but yoop's eye test of memories of Aaron and Matthew throwing into the EZ from the own 45 is more important.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I've consistently pointed to Love's accuracy issues, deep ball included. So, yet again, you are wrong.
that you don't realize that one is dependent on the other with a deep pass is why you don't get it, and I'am not wrong about any of this, I new about all this stuff before you set foot on this planet
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I've consistently pointed to Love's accuracy issues, deep ball included. So, yet again, you are wrong.
that you don't realize that one is dependent on the other with a deep pass is why you don't get it, and I'am not wrong about any of this, I new about all this stuff before you set foot on this planet
You are talking gibberish now. Your post doesn't make sense in reply to mine.
It's funny watching you claim things you know that no one else does.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Nope. You are wrong. As usual what you call your eye test is clouded by decades of bong resin.
whats yours clouded by? you refuse to see limitations because you refuse to deal with it, on that same throw Stafford could have dropped that in the EZ, Rodgers too, as well as half or more of the QB's playing.
when ya see a QB throwing sky balls it's because they can't throw less lofted balls as deep as the sky balls, trajectory is needed because ya can't throw lazers.
if elevation wasn't needed everyone would throw ropes, think about why shooters elevate for distance, it's the same thing.
I too agree that Love should've sacked up and delivered that ball so it landed in the EZ.
Yes it would have been an overthrow but yoop's eye test of memories of Aaron and Matthew throwing into the EZ from the own 45 is more important.
the point is that Love would on his best day never have thrown it 55 yards in the air, he doesn't have the arm strength to do that, again he does ok at about 40 yrds in air as long as he throws on schedule as we saw with the throw to Reed, even in that throw there was plenty of air under it, and according to the vid he had great tech on that pass, thats about Loves limit imo.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I've consistently pointed to Love's accuracy issues, deep ball included. So, yet again, you are wrong.
that you don't realize that one is dependent on the other with a deep pass is why you don't get it, and I'am not wrong about any of this, I new about all this stuff before you set foot on this planet
You are talking gibberish now. Your post doesn't make sense in reply to mine.
It's funny watching you claim things you know that no one else does.
thats because you act dumb
and thats not my fault, and I actually think you know I'am right, and I think it's been this way with you and others for years in this forum.
you wont find anyone thats being honest tell you Love has a strong arm, and they also will tell you that when a QB has to heave it with that much air, it's because they lack the arm strength to throw it flatter, duh, I seriously thought everyone new that, it is so basic.
also when ya throw with that kind of air it is near impossible to have pin point accuracy, pretty obvious to me Love is heaving it to a area hoping his receivers come down with it, and that is what we've seen.
you've never agreed with me in the past, I don't expect you to now.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
54 yards in the air. Your opinion is WRONG. Pretty sure he has improved since his first year starting in college.
he throw that from his own 45 (about) to the opposing 12, that 43 yrds in air, jesus you can't even be honest, just stop your making a fool of yourself.
Email Herman and ask him if love has a stong nfl arm.
