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I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team. We won't know until we see, but I am 100% confident what we have on paper right now is not the group we will see in September.
Exactly. I won't wring my hands in angst based on the March pre-draft roster.NCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 08:33I also remember the hand-wringing in 2007 where the group of Driver-Jennings-Jones was underwhelming (partially due to the failure to complete the Randy Moss trade). Turned out to be a major strength of that team. We won't know until we see, but I am 100% confident what we have on paper right now is not the group we will see in September.
That is true. I should clarify that I meant it could be worse than that squad post Javon Walker and Ferguson.
Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 12:42Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.NCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 13:11Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 12:42Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:25Rodgers throws a ton of slants. Not sure what u are watching. Goto play with Adams, 3rd down and goal line with every pass catcher on the team.NCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 13:11Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 12:42
Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:30AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.
In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:45https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:30AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.
Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 17:01In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:45https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:30
AR throws them, but doesn't live off slants like some QBs. I'd say AR is very selective about slants, especially deeper slants across the middle, because they have their risks: If a LB manages to surprise, they can step into the lane, and if the pass goes through WR's hands, there's a high risk of INT. AR prefers the curls and outs and backshoulder fades where INT risk is smaller.
Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.
Pretty sure it goes back to you telling me that “AR throws a ton of slants.”Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 17:09Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 17:01In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 16:45
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/0 ... nt-routes/ 2017 But I see him throw back shoulders and slants all the time.
Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.
SLANT ROUTENCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 18:14Pretty sure it goes back to you telling me that “AR throws a ton of slants.”Realist wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 17:09Not sure how I got in this discussion. Rodgers and all qb's throw in spots that get their receivers killed. Rodgers has done it to Adams many times. Cobb and Finley and on on . Didn't mean to derail the thread.salmar80 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 17:01
In 2016, AR threw 48 slants out of 610 attempts. I personally don't think 8% of all passes is a lot, and certainly not "all the time". Especially when he had two excellent slant runners in Adams and prime Cobb.
Look, all QBs throw slants. It's a bread-and-butter play. Certainly AR throws them, and is great at them. I just don't think of AR as an especially prolific slant thrower. When I think of AR, other routes spring to mind. And he specifically avoids slants over the middle where the WR gets hit immediately. He'll throw those, but super rarely, while other QBs look like they're trying to get their WRs killed.
It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.NCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 13:11Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 12:42Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 07:38It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.NCF wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 13:11Favre loved the slant. I don't think Aaron does.Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑25 Mar 2022 12:42
Remember back in 2007 how they used to throw all those slant routes for big YAC? I miss that.
If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.
The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats
true, but then why would he, a coach has to take advantage of the best skills a player has, you have to remember McCarthy was Favres QB coach back in the 90's when Holmgrens version of the Walsh scheme was intact, so when we hired him as our HC he was not about to try and reinvent Favre, who by the way never had the deep ball accuracy of Rodgers, once Favre was out the door Mike took advantage of the skills Rodgers had.go pak go wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 09:17Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 07:38It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.
If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.
The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats
Okay. So you don't disagree with NCF after all.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 10:30true, but then why would he, a coach has to take advantage of the best skills a player has, you have to remember McCarthy was Favres QB coach back in the 90's when Holmgrens version of the Walsh scheme was intact, so when we hired him as our HC he was not about to try and reinvent Favre, who by the way never had the deep ball accuracy of Rodgers, once Favre was out the door Mike took advantage of the skills Rodgers had.go pak go wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 09:17Except this wasn't true with McCarthy when he coached Favre.Yoop wrote: ↑26 Mar 2022 07:38
It's a scheme thing, Holmgren used the more pure Bill Walsh WCO, lots of slants, and dump offs to the RB, it's the dink and dunk style invented by him back in the 70's, Mike McCarthy was a big chunk yardage coach, so spread verticals being in vogue Mike designed his offense around that, so obviously we saw him use less slants and dump offs.
If ya want to know more about slants this is a super article that explains the evolution of it well.
The quick slant is the signature play of the West Coast Offense. Since the West Coast is the most prevalent offense in the NFL, it's not an exaggeration to call the slant the most important play in professional football.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/strat ... -and-flats
McCarthy got a bad rap ( me included) around here, and deservedly so I suppose the last 3 or 4 years, but he was a very good coach, got the very best out of quite a few good QB's, obviously both of our HOFamers