Packers Huddle

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2023 17:05

APB wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2023 11:58

Has this been posted yet? Don't remember hearing about it.

Packers released DB Vernon Scott.

Scott, a 2020 seventh-round pick, was injured during the preseason and spent last year on IR. He appeared in 18 games for the Packers from 2020-2021. With Adrian Amos and Scott departing this offseason, the Packers are expected to add a safety in the draft.

Seems a little odd considering all the other losses at the position.

He hasn't been on the team for a while. Blogger Andy Herman questioned it last January and asked West Hod about it because there was no news on his release.

Wes said his locker has been cleared out for months. I find it interesting it took this long to finally make it official.

nice observation from blogger andy

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Apr 2023 17:05

He hasn't been on the team for a while. Blogger Andy Herman questioned it last January and asked West Hod about it because there was no news on his release.

Wes said his locker has been cleared out for months. I find it interesting it took this long to finally make it official.

The negotiations around injury settlements are sometimes a challenge and the Packers can't officially release V Scott until he passes a team physical
Its also in the best interest of the player rehabbing to stay with the same rehab crew until he is cleared. And finally, there are benefits to Scott in terms of earning a pension ( 3 yrs) and full health care coverage. So maybe the Packers did him a solid and carried him on the roster until April

I don't know exactly what happened with V Scott, but it certainly was an atypical situation.

OT Yosh Nijman signed his RFA tender today, just in time for spring workouts

BSA wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 16:22

OT Yosh Nijman signed his RFA tender today, just in time for spring workouts

How much confidence would the Packers have in Yosh? I mean, do they envision him as a starter, or do they prefer him as a plug in lineman (and a good one at that). Maybe I should just ask if Yosh has hit his ceiling yet. I’d think he can still develop some more. But it’s exciting to think about him and what he’s done so far.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:18

How much confidence would the Packers have in Yosh?

More on the left side, a little less on the right side. Yosh said it was hard making the switch and his grades reflect that for 2022
Pretty impressive development from a UDFA to an NFL-caliber OT. He'll compete at RT to begin the season

Packers currently have (3) competent OTs on the roster and they spent an early 4th, a late 4th and a UDFA invite to fill those spots.

BSA wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:28

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:18

How much confidence would the Packers have in Yosh?

More on the left side, a little less on the right side. Yosh said it was hard making the switch and his grades reflect that for 2022
Pretty impressive development from a UDFA to an NFL-caliber OT. He'll compete at RT to begin the season

Packers currently have (3) competent OTs on the roster and they spent an early 4th, a late 4th and a UDFA invite to fill those spots.

Makes one question the need for drafting an OT in the 1st this year. Though not a very deep class.

paco wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:52

BSA wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:28

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:18

How much confidence would the Packers have in Yosh?

More on the left side, a little less on the right side. Yosh said it was hard making the switch and his grades reflect that for 2022
Pretty impressive development from a UDFA to an NFL-caliber OT. He'll compete at RT to begin the season

Packers currently have (3) competent OTs on the roster and they spent an early 4th, a late 4th and a UDFA invite to fill those spots.

Makes one question the need for drafting an OT in the 1st this year. Though not a very deep class.

Yeah I don't like the value of an OT draft pick. Even if Bakh and Nijman move on after the season, I like Tom long-term at LT, and we have lots of nice developmental guys behind those three that I think at least one of them should give us a guy at RT at least on par with Nijman.

paco wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:52

BSA wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:28

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

17 Apr 2023 18:18

How much confidence would the Packers have in Yosh?

More on the left side, a little less on the right side. Yosh said it was hard making the switch and his grades reflect that for 2022
Pretty impressive development from a UDFA to an NFL-caliber OT. He'll compete at RT to begin the season

Packers currently have (3) competent OTs on the roster and they spent an early 4th, a late 4th and a UDFA invite to fill those spots.

Makes one question the need for drafting an OT in the 1st this year. Though not a very deep class.

T is a spot where, I think that if your board says the guy is elite, then you take him. Truly elite guys don’t come by often enough.

However, this might be the year that GB decides there is more value in “good enough” as they might try to stockpile picks in the early rounds. (Will they offer up some 2024 picks this year?)

I feel like the Packers have three left tackles and no right tackles aside from the hopes for Caleb Jones and Rasheed Walker. I also feel like two of their left tackles are in their likely final year in Green Bay. So I’m all about drafting a RT this year.

as good as the OL group is this year we can find good prospects through the 2nd round, but if either of Johnson or Skoronski drop to our slot either would be really hard to pass on, both are plug and play, we could trade Bahktiari, hell he doesn't want to be here anyway.

both are high IQ, both are team leaders, and Peter is Bob Skoronski's grand son, I'am sure he'd love to be a Packer, alas I don't think either will drop to us.

Luke Tenuta, who they seem to like, is also a RT candidate. He played some garbage time reps at RT.

Though he was poor to start the season at RT, Newman played there in relief later and wasn't too bad. And part of me wonders if Rhyan is not better suited to RT than G. That guy played a lot at LT for UCLA, but struggled with the transition inside.

So I count like 4-5 developmental tackles on the roster right now, even before we add UDFA and flier draft-picks, which could add yet others.

Meanwhile, Runyan is a UFA next year with no discernable replacement on the team, Myers was shaky at C last year, too early to label him a bust but it's a concern, our best IOL depth guy after Tom seems to be Newman or Hanson (personally, I don't want to move Tom inside if I can help it).

Drafting a T high doesn't make much sense to me, unless they can move inside and be really good. I much rather add IOL for less than #15, and have faith that at least 1 of the 4-5 guys we have at T will work out well enough to give us at least an adequate starter next season.

Andy Reid told the Philadelphia owner upon his hire :

"I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.

He's not alone in that line of thinking and it matches up with pay scales and positional values in the draft

So...How close are the 2023 Packers given that their current holes aren't even listed among the premium positions above ?

QB = TBD and no need to argue that here...
2 OTs I'd say that's a yes. I know some will argue about RT.
2 Pass Rushers- That's a yes when Gary and Smith are on the field
2 CBs - Again, I'd say yes and maybe some will argue. J. Alexander, Rasul Douglass and Eric Stokes are a viable 1-3 for a top defense. Nixon = ?


This is why I scoff at the idea the Packers are in a rebuild ( national media). Plenty of player turnover and room for improvement across the roster- but rebuilding teams aren't solid at the premium positions. The 2023 Packers are. Elite LT, Elite CB, Elite EDGE

This 2023 team will play meaningful games in December/January.
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Andy Reid is my favorest coach in the league, whatever he says it's gospel to me

I think where in pretty good shape, ascending OL, and better then what we had last year for the first 10 games anyway, more chemistry from the young receivers with a off season to correct themselves on last years mistakes, a very good tandem of RB's , very good CB's, and Edge rushers, DL and safety would seem the weak positions along with TE.

add a few players in the draft that hopefully contribute, I agree, unless Love is terrible, we should make the PO's.

probably win the SB if we draft Dalton Kincaid

Looking forward to the 2nd season of ST's under Bisaccia, getting Nixon going with hopefully even better run lanes, and return coverages.

also a new kicker, I don't see a lot of turn over with players, basically normal retooling, just because we switched QB's is no reason to expect a drop off, specially after the break downs with so much else, the defense continued to improve just as did the OL as the season progressed, we layed a egg to finish but had been improving leading up to that Detroit loss, to me what happened last year isn't a true representation of the ability of this team, but we'll see.

BSA wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 18:15

Andy Reid told the Philadelphia owner upon his hire :

"I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.

Interesting.

If I had to choose only 7 positions to build the team around I'd go.... QB, receiver (TE or WR), 2 IDL, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 S.

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:13

BSA wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 18:15

Andy Reid told the Philadelphia owner upon his hire :

"I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.

Interesting.

If I had to choose only 7 positions to build the team around I'd go.... QB, receiver (TE or WR), 2 IDL, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 S.

Either way, we're a safety and a 2nd-year jump from Wyatt away from having both ideals.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:51

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:13

BSA wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 18:15

Andy Reid told the Philadelphia owner upon his hire :

"I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.

Interesting.

If I had to choose only 7 positions to build the team around I'd go.... QB, receiver (TE or WR), 2 IDL, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 S.

Either way, we're a safety and a 2nd-year jump from Wyatt away from having both ideals.

Exactly.

Prognosticators are oh-so-willing to categorize the 2023 Packers as being in a "rebuild" year, and that's fine, but I don't think the Packers will fit the typical box definition of "rebuild" that the typical fan would expect.

This 2023 version won't likely compete for a title but I definitely think they'll compete in a relatively weak NFC North division. The projections for a last place 5-win season will be long forgotten come January. And if Gute and Co. can manage a decent draft next week, look out in 2024.

Rebuild, my ass...retool is more like it.

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:13

BSA wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 18:15

Andy Reid told the Philadelphia owner upon his hire :

"I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.

Interesting.

If I had to choose only 7 positions to build the team around I'd go.... QB, receiver (TE or WR), 2 IDL, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 S.

why would you go with DL over edge rushers? for every good DL man there are 10 good edge rushers.

you decided to design your defense to stop the run and your offense to pass the ball, your fired as my general manager

APB wrote: ↑

19 Apr 2023 07:17

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:51

Labrev wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2023 20:13

Interesting.

If I had to choose only 7 positions to build the team around I'd go.... QB, receiver (TE or WR), 2 IDL, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 S.

Either way, we're a safety and a 2nd-year jump from Wyatt away from having both ideals.

Exactly.

Prognosticators are oh-so-willing to categorize the 2023 Packers as being in a "rebuild" year, and that's fine, but I don't think the Packers will fit the typical box definition of "rebuild" that the typical fan would expect.

This 2023 version won't likely compete for a title but I definitely think they'll compete in a relatively weak NFC North division. The projections for a last place 5-win season will be long forgotten come January. And if Gute and Co. can manage a decent draft next week, look out in 2024.

Rebuild, my ass...retool is more like it.

prognosticators???? half the members of this forum think this team is in rebuild mode, some want to trade anyone with a 2nd contract to clear the books, some have predicted a 5 or 6 win season, maybe less, so it isn't just the talking heads, lots of negative opinions thrown about.

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Apr 2023 08:21

why would you go with DL over edge rushers? for every good DL man there are 10 good edge rushers.

I know, I should have gone the yoop route: 1 QB, 5 WRs, and 1 TE it's 2011 all over again bro!!!

Serious answer is, DL are major "force multipliers" possibly more than any position other than QB, good ones just do so much for your D:
(1a) they can stop the run themselves,
(1b) or help your LBs or S do it.
(3) they get pressure up the middle, and this is way harder to avoid than pressure from edge-rushers (QB can't step up or stay in the pocket, and just getting rid of the ball quickly doesn't stop it -as- easily as it stops edge rushers).
(4) IOL having their hands full makes it easier to blitz with success.
(5) pressure in general helps the secondary make plays.
(6) putting the opposing offense in lots of down-and-distance situations makes them abandon the run and have to try to complete longer passes, which also helps the secondary make plays.

you decided to design your defense to stop the run and your offense to pass the ball, your fired as my general manager

Not so. I also had 1 CB and 1 S, so it's not just a run-stop D. I am officially re-hire as your general manager!