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Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 15:55
by Drj820
paco wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 15:48
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 15:45
paco wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 15:36
Yes, it costs to move around. A team is going to trade up if they have a player that is left on the board that is ranked higher than anyone else. So you move to make sure you get that guy.
So in that particular case, Love was mostly likely not ranked as a low 1st round value. He was ranked high or mid. So they spent another pick and got him. Still doesn't mean that 26 and 30 aren't the same value in the minds of teams.
i think there will be more options on the board to choose from at pick 22 than I do at pick 28.
This is actually a thought based in fact.
I really dont want Watson at all in the first, but if we take him at 28, where there are less options to choose from than at pick 22, I will be able to stomach it.
I dont think my take is controversial.
I don't think it's controversial. It's also not based in fact. None of us on here have facts. The teams don't even have the facts. The draft is a living breathing thing controlled by 32 teams and countless individuals who don't communicate with each other about their plans. All having different needs/wants/opinions on the hundreds of prospects available. The only thing that is a fact, is the last team that picked and the picks that were placed before it.
not to keep this going, especially when i didnt expect my original comment to turn into a debate about value...but it is a "fact" that there are more options of players to choose from at 22 than at 28.
Because once pick 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and 27 happens...the players selected at those spots are not available to be chosen for the 28th selection.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 15:55
by YoHoChecko
We’re really out of things to argue about at this stage, huh?
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 16:04
by paco
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 15:55
We’re really out of things to argue about at this stage, huh?
Yep I'm done. When it gets to talking about 4 players less out of 500 available, I'm done.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 17:17
by paco
If you haven't, have a look through the Dope Sheet for this year's draft. Lotta good info in there.
https://www.packers.com/news/green-bay- ... selections
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 17:23
by Pugger
I see this darn draft won't even start until 8 eastern
so barring a trade up approximately what time will be be making our first selection tonight?
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 17:26
by paco
Pugger wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 17:23
I see this darn draft won't even start until 8 eastern
so barring a trade up approximately what time will be be making our first selection tonight?
each team gets 10 minutes in the 1st round. Squeeze in a nap, because it's going to be a long one!
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:01
by wallyuwl
Pugger wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 17:23
I see this darn draft won't even start until 8 eastern
so barring a trade up approximately what time will be be making our first selection tonight?
Probably about 10:00 or 10:30 EST for pick 22
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:04
by Drj820
10 minutes between picks is ridiculous
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:18
by go pak go
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:04
10 minutes between picks is ridiculous
Remember when it was 15 minutes?
Honestly I used to love the old format of 3 rounds on Saturday.
If anything I would take 1 round on Friday and then make Saturday more prime picks. I don't really like the current format.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:41
by Realist
I have seen a few mocks having us take Jahan Dotson in the first. PLEASE GOD NO.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:43
by Drj820
Realist wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:41
I have seen a few mocks having us take Jahan Dotson in the first. PLEASE GOD NO.
i like dotson over watson tbh
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:43
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:18
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:04
10 minutes between picks is ridiculous
Remember when it was 15 minutes?
Honestly I used to love the old format of 3 rounds on Saturday.
If anything I would take 1 round on Friday and then make Saturday more prime picks. I don't really like the current format.
i dont think i remember that. Sounds awful tho ha
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 18:49
by wallyuwl
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:43
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:18
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:04
10 minutes between picks is ridiculous
Remember when it was 15 minutes?
Honestly I used to love the old format of 3 rounds on Saturday.
If anything I would take 1 round on Friday and then make Saturday more prime picks. I don't really like the current format.
i dont think i remember that. Sounds awful tho ha
Yup, first round used to take five and a half hours
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 19:08
by BF004
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:18
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:04
10 minutes between picks is ridiculous
Remember when it was 15 minutes?
Honestly I used to love the old format of 3 rounds on Saturday.
If anything I would take 1 round on Friday and then make Saturday more prime picks. I don't really like the current format.
Oh god yes, Saturday at 9 am till bar time. Was the best
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 28 Apr 2022 19:15
by Realist
wallyuwl wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:49
Drj820 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:43
go pak go wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 18:18
Remember when it was 15 minutes?
Honestly I used to love the old format of 3 rounds on Saturday.
If anything I would take 1 round on Friday and then make Saturday more prime picks. I don't really like the current format.
i dont think i remember that. Sounds awful tho ha
Yup, first round used to take five and a half hours
The record is 6 hours 8 minutes. JaMarcus Russell first overall.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 29 Apr 2022 05:31
by salmar80
Watching film on the 2nd day WR prospects. Funnily the first thing that I notice is that these QBs seem to have way less time to throw than the QBs of the ones picked in 1st round.
Alec Pierce, George Pickens and Christian Watson look the part of our outside WR. Pickens needs to learn to love himself some blocking, slacked off big time there, but then makes big plays. Watson and Pierce need coaching, but honestly not that far behind say London.
Skyy Moore has the quicks we wish Amari Rodgers had... Looks little but can absorb some contact. Slot only, worthless outside.
Jalen Tolbert looks like a Packers WR2. A little slow off the line, but great at contested catches and smart with ball in his hands. YAC machine.
For a discount Olave, I like John Metchie III a LOT. Does a lot of the same things. Very smooth and crisp athlete, probably best at slot in NFL, but had success outside. Recovering from Dec ACL.
Khalil Shakir is interesting. Looks to come off the line slow and then surprises with 2nd gear to get open. But not always. Sometimes has a quick burst at the snap, so may just be smart and have a plan. Anyways, gets open often. Not WR1 but I wouldn't mind him as WR3.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 29 Apr 2022 06:36
by RingoCStarrQB
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 07:20
Right Tackle, 2 WRs, LB, Defensive Lineman, Tight End, maybe even another offensive lineman.
So far so good. Gutey knocked 2 off of the above list.
Defense Wins Championships ............. Turnovers Win Games.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 29 Apr 2022 07:08
by bud fox
salmar80 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022 05:31
Watching film on the 2nd day WR prospects. Funnily the first thing that I notice is that these QBs seem to have way less time to throw than the QBs of the ones picked in 1st round.
Alec Pierce, George Pickens and Christian Watson look the part of our outside WR. Pickens needs to learn to love himself some blocking, slacked off big time there, but then makes big plays. Watson and Pierce need coaching, but honestly not that far behind say London.
Skyy Moore has the quicks we wish Amari Rodgers had... Looks little but can absorb some contact. Slot only, worthless outside.
Jalen Tolbert looks like a Packers WR2. A little slow off the line, but great at contested catches and smart with ball in his hands. YAC machine.
For a discount Olave, I like John Metchie III a LOT. Does a lot of the same things. Very smooth and crisp athlete, probably best at slot in NFL, but had success outside. Recovering from Dec ACL.
Khalil Shakir is interesting. Looks to come off the line slow and then surprises with 2nd gear to get open. But not always. Sometimes has a quick burst at the snap, so may just be smart and have a plan. Anyways, gets open often. Not WR1 but I wouldn't mind him as WR3.
Sky Moore played alot of outside what makes you say slot only?
He reminds me a little of Greg jennings - West Michigan probably effecting that a little
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 29 Apr 2022 07:57
by salmar80
bud fox wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022 07:08
salmar80 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022 05:31
Watching film on the 2nd day WR prospects. Funnily the first thing that I notice is that these QBs seem to have way less time to throw than the QBs of the ones picked in 1st round.
Alec Pierce, George Pickens and Christian Watson look the part of our outside WR. Pickens needs to learn to love himself some blocking, slacked off big time there, but then makes big plays. Watson and Pierce need coaching, but honestly not that far behind say London.
Skyy Moore has the quicks we wish Amari Rodgers had... Looks little but can absorb some contact. Slot only, worthless outside.
Jalen Tolbert looks like a Packers WR2. A little slow off the line, but great at contested catches and smart with ball in his hands. YAC machine.
For a discount Olave, I like John Metchie III a LOT. Does a lot of the same things. Very smooth and crisp athlete, probably best at slot in NFL, but had success outside. Recovering from Dec ACL.
Khalil Shakir is interesting. Looks to come off the line slow and then surprises with 2nd gear to get open. But not always. Sometimes has a quick burst at the snap, so may just be smart and have a plan. Anyways, gets open often. Not WR1 but I wouldn't mind him as WR3.
Sky Moore played alot of outside what makes you say slot only?
He reminds me a little of Greg jennings - West Michigan probably effecting that a little
From what I saw, Skyy was often just a decoy when lined up outside. He's just very small, doesn't remind me of Jennings at all. Boundary corners will mug him up. Yes, he could do SOME things on the perimeter, all WRs can, like if they give him room, do the quick WR screen, or again if given space he could do some quick intermediate curls or outs. Press coverage would nullify him. But he has the prototype quick twitch for the slot or a move guy, that's why I see a better fit as a slot or Ervin 2.0.
Re: 2022 Draft Discussion
Posted: 30 Apr 2022 10:07
by RingoCStarrQB
RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑28 Apr 2022 07:20
Right Tackle, 2 WRs, LB, Defensive Lineman, Tight End, maybe even another offensive lineman.
Pursuant to the directive ..... Gutey's mojo seems to be workin' admirably so far.
