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Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 12:25
by BSA
Packfntk wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020 12:08
Yeah, I don't think Watt is worth the salary or draft capital it would take to get him right now.
Agree- its a tough one. However, the Packers have a history of importing a transcendent defensive player and winning a Title
Reggie White in 1996 and Charles Woodson in 2010. Peppers
should have been the 3rd one in 2014.
IF JJ wants to come to GB its to challenge for a Title. He's already earned close to $100M from football and a substantial amount outside of football so money isn't the sole Decider here. Yes, its a pipe dream- but that's what it takes to win a Championship- transcendent players on both sides of the ball. And while the defense has many top- notch parts, they don't have the vocal HOF leader like JJ.
JJ+ KC would be incredible on the DL
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 12:30
by BF004
I was literally just going to comment on our aging HOF defensive additions history, from White to Woodson to Peppers.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 12:53
by Pugger
Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020 12:04
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020 09:41
So lot of JJ Watt talk hitting the twitter sphere.
I would love to add him, as I mentioned before and was ridiculed by guys like yoho.
I would be like $9-10 million to add him this year, depending on when we might add him.
That is about impossible to take on, so we could either have Houston eat some of his salary (they don't have much cap at all either) and would increase our needed compensation. However, Houston would still save a good $5 million and get draft compensation for him.
Or we could restructure and extend his deal, making it very palatable this year and next year, kicking that can down the road, which really wouldn't prevent us from signing on some of our FA's to some extent. Might be hard to add 3rd and 4th years for him where those cap hit are gunna be real big, not knowing if he body can make it that long.
But in terms of pushing in some chips for the next 1-3 years while we have Aaron, this is exactly the kind of move we should be thinking about.
I honestly couldn't even ball park what a 4 year (3½) deal might look like for JJ at this point in his career. Not sure if he is still worth that 17 per price tag, or higher, or if like 10 is more reasonable. Also no idea what he might consider to come to Green Bay. GB is weird because like no FA's willingly want to come here short of top dollar, except for the very very select few, who might be willing to do crazy things to come to GB.
I feel like financially it could be a bit of a push, given we could save 8.5 million from Preston next offseason, which would pretty much guarantee his exit IMO. So it certainly could be done. We could just wait till the offseason to get him for 'free' if the Texans do release him. Wouldn't hurt us in comp pick but then would no guarantee we would ever have a chance to get him.
I guess I would offer something like up to a 4th for Watt, redo his deal, lower his remaing base salary this year from 9 million to like 1 million, give him abouta $20 million signing bonus over 4 years (including this year), another vet min base salary next year, giving him cap hits of about 6 million this year and next, the 8.5 million savings from Preston would offset that to some extent. Then fill out the base salaries and roster bonuses for 2022 and 2023 to make both sides happy. Maybe around like 15 million in 2022 and 18 million in 2023. On paper that would look like a 4 year (3½ year) deal for about 50 million dollars. Which is really is more like 14.3 million per, rather than 12.5 million per since he would get the full bonus this year for half the season.
Anything much richer than that and I'm probably out, but never say never.
I would prefer to give up draft loot for Quinnen Williams of the Jets. I dont think JJ has enough in the tank to rely on when factoring in his health.
Yes, we all love our home grown JJ but he has been banged up lately and will probably cost a fortune.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 12:59
by BF004
I don’t think he’d cost a fortune. Older, oft injured, not quite as effective. It wouldn’t take much compensation, and like I said, I couldn’t even ballpark what a fair contract would be for him right now. But I am very confident it isn’t any where near top 5-10 D money.
That’s why it isn’t unthinkable.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 13:28
by Drj820
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020 12:59
I don’t think he’d cost a fortune. Older, oft injured, not quite as effective. It wouldn’t take much compensation, and like I said, I couldn’t even ballpark what a fair contract would be for him right now. But I am very confident it isn’t any where near top 5-10 D money.
That’s why it isn’t unthinkable.
if he wasnt from Wisconsin would you have interest? I am not from Wisconsin, so that emotional appeal does not pull my heart strings...and I have no interest.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 13:38
by BF004
I mean, the one position we have been complaining about more than any is getting a DL body next to Kenny, so yeah, I'd still want him if he wasn't from Wisconsin.
Obviously would depend on the compensation and $$ we give him.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 13:39
by go pak go
I think we need to focus on getting our already incredibly talented pass rushers productive again to be honest.
If Z, P, Gary and Kenny don't suck, like they have been, we wouldn't care about any outside help because we wouldn't need it.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 13:42
by Drj820
yeah kinda sad Kyler Fackrell is outplaying Gary right now.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 21 Oct 2020 14:12
by go pak go
Drj820 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020 13:42
yeah kinda sad Kyler Fackrell is outplaying Gary right now.
I think the Smiths are a sadder state of affairs then Gary. Gary has actually been an assist of big plays a lot his first 2.5 games until he went out with injury at NO's. He also had a good pressure in TB in limited time.
Meanwhile, the Smiths have done next to nothing. Z got this 3 sacks vs Atlanta and he also got the fumble. Big plays for sure but those four plays have been an anomaly on his season that is propping his production higher than it really has been.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 22 Oct 2020 13:48
by BF004
eek
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 22 Oct 2020 14:21
by Pckfn23
One Ton Big Bob Tonyan!
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 23 Oct 2020 09:40
by BF004
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 24 Oct 2020 08:30
by BF004
We will maintain rights to Shepherd and Taylor by then.
2022 offseason not looking super though. Got Davante, Eq, and MVS, JK Scott,
Then Josh Jackson, Lucas Patrick, Kirksey and Wagner.
We’ll have 5th year option for Jaire.
Should be a huge salary cap jump, first year we could consider life after Aaron with basically a neutral 2022 cap move, but big savings after.
Should be able to get easy cap space on any of our big 4 FAs in Smith Smith, Amos and Turner by releasing or extending.
I guess looking at that, save room for Davante, but otherwise load up and backload stuff here this upcoming offseason. Can get King, Jones and Bak all under deals if we want, imo.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 16:26
by BF004
I was driving the Khalil Mack to GB bandwagon.
In hindsight, prolly would have kept McCarthy’s job.
But I am now driving the JJ Watt train. Houston gets no comp pick from cutting him next offseason. Step 1) Convince Houston a 5th or maybe a 4th and the salary savings is worth it rather than wasting money and getting nothing. Step 2) Convince JJ to sign a friendly deal that gets him to his childhood team and a chance to compete for a championship.
Need some world class salesmen to pull this off, but do it.
I am all for building for the future, but let’s push in some chips for Aaron.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 16:36
by NCF
BF004 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020 16:26
I was driving the Khalil Mack to GB bandwagon.
In hindsight, prolly would have kept McCarthy’s job.
But I am now driving the JJ Watt train. Houston gets no comp pick from cutting him next offseason. Step 1) Convince Houston a 5th or maybe a 4th and the salary savings is worth it rather than wasting money and getting nothing. Step 2) Convince JJ to sign a friendly deal that gets him to his childhood team and a chance to compete for a championship.
Need some world class salesmen to pull this off, but do it.
I am all for building for the future, but let’s push in some chips for Aaron.
Next question.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 19:04
by BF004
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 20:00
by texas
I don't want him. He's washed up.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 20:06
by APB
texas wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020 20:00
I don't want him. He's washed up.
He wasn’t today. Played a solid game.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 20:29
by Drj820
texas wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020 20:00
I don't want him. He's washed up.
Same.
I’d be shocked if he finished the season.
Re: General Packers News 2020
Posted: 25 Oct 2020 20:36
by texas
APB wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020 20:06
texas wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020 20:00
I don't want him. He's washed up.
He wasn’t today. Played a solid game.
Yeah but he's old news. Past his time. I guess if he wanted to play for the veteran minimum then I wouldn't mind having him come here, because the potential risk is so low while I suppose there is a potential benefit.