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Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 15:44
by Drj820
BF004 wrote:
23 Jan 2022 15:42
Sucks we are gunna remember this game for our inept special teams and lack of offensive production and not the best defensive performance I’ve seen a Packers team put up in at least a decade.
This. They were robbed.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 16:47
by paco

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 17:01
by Half Empty
Would put that under the category of a positive - lost him but don't need him for the next game.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 17:05
by Half Empty
Would put that under the category of a positive - lost him but don't need him for the next game.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 17:07
by texas
Scott4Pack wrote:
23 Jan 2022 05:59
I’d be looking at that blocked figgy to see if Lancaster or somebody blocked nobody. If that was a 100% negligent play, I’d fire the guy already. Thinking like $%&# botching that onside kick in Seattle kind of fired.
Jerry Jones made a good point that these sorts of corrections don't need to happen after the season when we're looking in the mirror. They need to happen before they become the thing that eliminates us.

It's not always obvious, and you certainly don't want to be firing everyone at the first sign of failure, since everyone screws up. But in our case there was zero reason to accept the ST play going into the playoffs.

MLF not firing Drayton during the season is looking pretty bad.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 17:20
by Labrev
paco wrote:
23 Jan 2022 16:47
According to someone on Twitter, the hit that injured Dillon on that play came from one of his own teammates (Burks, to be exact)

LOL ST...

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 19:41
by BF004
Ug; seen so many of these today. But this one was funny

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Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 20:36
by German_Panzer
Life's a b*tch.


Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 23 Jan 2022 21:18
by Trudge
Lafleur might have something to say about special teams...

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sport ... 142267001/

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 01:39
by Scott4Pack
texas wrote:
23 Jan 2022 17:07
Scott4Pack wrote:
23 Jan 2022 05:59
I’d be looking at that blocked figgy to see if Lancaster or somebody blocked nobody. If that was a 100% negligent play, I’d fire the guy already. Thinking like $%&# botching that onside kick in Seattle kind of fired.
Jerry Jones made a good point that these sorts of corrections don't need to happen after the season when we're looking in the mirror. They need to happen before they become the thing that eliminates us.

It's not always obvious, and you certainly don't want to be firing everyone at the first sign of failure, since everyone screws up. But in our case there was zero reason to accept the ST play going into the playoffs.

MLF not firing Drayton during the season is looking pretty bad.
It's easy to make a decision that something is in the "mirror" or not. But sometimes, when a player simply and willfully didn't do their job you take action. For $%&# a few years ago, the damage from him not doing his job was so egregious and his talent so marginal, it made sense to release him immediately. So, what I'm saying is that the coaches should analyze why a guy blocked nobody on a play that arguable lost the game for us. If similar circumstances dictate, then a dismissal is totally in order. That's business. It's not an emotional situation. Guys get paid to do their job. And when they don't, then they get consequences.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 01:49
by wallyuwl
Scott4Pack wrote:
24 Jan 2022 01:39
texas wrote:
23 Jan 2022 17:07
Scott4Pack wrote:
23 Jan 2022 05:59
I’d be looking at that blocked figgy to see if Lancaster or somebody blocked nobody. If that was a 100% negligent play, I’d fire the guy already. Thinking like $%&# botching that onside kick in Seattle kind of fired.
Jerry Jones made a good point that these sorts of corrections don't need to happen after the season when we're looking in the mirror. They need to happen before they become the thing that eliminates us.

It's not always obvious, and you certainly don't want to be firing everyone at the first sign of failure, since everyone screws up. But in our case there was zero reason to accept the ST play going into the playoffs.

MLF not firing Drayton during the season is looking pretty bad.
It's easy to make a decision that something is in the "mirror" or not. But sometimes, when a player simply and willfully didn't do their job you take action. For $%&# a few years ago, the damage from him not doing his job was so egregious and his talent so marginal, it made sense to release him immediately. So, what I'm saying is that the coaches should analyze why a guy blocked nobody on a play that arguable lost the game for us. If similar circumstances dictate, then a dismissal is totally in order. That's business. It's not an emotional situation. Guys get paid to do their job. And when they don't, then they get consequences.
Why was Lancaster on the left side? If for any reason than because of an injury it is IMO 100% on the coaching. For a month or more he was on the right, then later in the game moved to the right side again.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 01:53
by texas
Yeah I was just trying to say that MLF should have fired Drayton a couple weeks ago and it is a legitimate black mark on his HC record so far that he didn't, and now it cost us a spot in the NFCCG.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 05:01
by Yoop
texas wrote:
24 Jan 2022 01:53
Yeah I was just trying to say that MLF should have fired Drayton a couple weeks ago and it is a legitimate black mark on his HC record so far that he didn't, and now it cost us a spot in the NFCCG.
BS, who the hell fires a cord a few weeks before the play offs, and why would anyone listen to Jerry Jones, Dallas has been a dumpster fire for the last 20 years.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 05:08
by Yoop
Trudge wrote:
23 Jan 2022 21:18
Lafleur might have something to say about special teams...

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sport ... 142267001/
Thanks Trudge, I remember reading this when it came out, sad that Murphy didn't step in and make changes earlier, not sure it would have made a diff. with Teds health or pro longed his life.

the 3 silo system of Murphy, Gute, and Lafluer seems to be leveling out, I remember reading some where that eventually it would revert back to the GM having complete control of the football operations, but havn't heard lately that it will.

to allow Lafluer to bring Rizzi in for the interview knowing prior his contract demands then reneging on those demands seems like something a financial officer would do, specially one that upset because he wasn't given the GM Job or the control he sought, thanks to McCarthy for forcing Murphy to reconsider putting Ball in a more controlling position of GM, never liked him, He kissed his way to the top with Ted, and probably is a big reason Ted was not more active with UFA, Didn't want to pay Capers contract demands, and his defense helped us win a SB.
Ya have to wonder if it was his influence that Ted remained GM years longer then was healthy for him, who knows, imo though Financial Cap guru's should not have as much control as Russ Ball has been given.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 07:06
by Scott4Pack
I agree with this article. And he puts into details what I haven't fully expressed in the past.

https://packerstalk.com/2022/01/23/the- ... t-lafleur/

***
The Fault for That Loss Lies Squarely On Matt LaFleur
by Mike Price

Earlier this season I wrote about all the reasons Matt LaFleur deserved to win the coach of the year award. In that post, I also detailed the argument against LaFleur for COTY:

Really, the case against should be that when faced with a bottom of the league special teams and middle of the league defense at the end of last season, LaFleur blinked. He promoted an internal special teams’ coach to coordinator and hired a familiar face as defensive coordinator.

In the end, that flaw turned out to be fatal. There were plenty of other reasons for the loss, and we’ll go over them here, but put any competent coach in charge of the special teams’ unit and Green Bay is onto its third straight championship game right now. Let’s go over it all and why, like LaFleur mentioned in his press conference, it comes down to him.

The Special Teams Disaster

LaFleur reportedly wanted to offer Darren Rizzi the Special Teams gig three years ago, but Rizzi was low-balled by Packers’ admin and chose the Saints instead. Hiring Shawn Mennenga and then Maurice Drayton has been an unprecedented disaster. We all thought the special teams were bad under Ron Zook, but they were never this bad.

To compound the problem, LaFleur didn’t make an in-season change despite weeks of evidence that Drayton wasn’t up to the job. It’s understandable. It’s hard to replace a coordinator mid-season and it’s hard to fire someone who you’ve worked with for three years.

But when former NFL kickers and punt returners can easily identify the issues live from their couches, there’s an obvious problem with the coach’s competence. It’s LaFleur’s responsibility to identify that and make the change. There were ten guys on the field for the last field goal for crying out loud.

Starting Dennis Kelly over Yosh Njiman

When asked about this decision in the press conference last night, LaFleur said, “I understand that it’s part of it when you don’t get the results that you want, that everything is going to be second guessed.”

It’s reasonable to make the semi-galaxy brain coaching decision to play Billy Turner (who hadn’t played in weeks) out of position, Lucas Patrick at a position he’d only played once in months against the type of defender he always struggles against, and to start Dennis Kelly over Yosh Njiman, who is significantly more athletic. The coaching staff obviously knows these players a lot more than we do.

The problem is not adjusting. It was clear starting on the third drive that those five weren’t going to cut it. Kelly couldn’t block Bosa. Patrick couldn’t block Armstead.

What is the downside of bringing in Njiman to play left tackle while Turner moves to either right tackle or right guard? How could the offense have possibly gotten worse with that change in the second half? And if they weren’t going to make a change, why did they stick with the same offensive game plan that wasn’t working?

Gameplan Problems

In the first matchup, the Packers put up 30 points, despite being down a few guys on the offensive line, because they relied on the quick pass game and offered chip help to tackles to slow down the edge rush. Rodgers was able to quickly make decisions and move the ball.

In this game, the team moved right down the field with the same quick passing game on the first drive and a half (until Marcedes Lewis fumbled to the surprise of no Packers fan; isn’t it up to the coaches to make sure players don’t hold the ball the worst possible way every single time they possess it?) and then stopped.

Quick passes on first down turned into one yard runs or five step drop passes with no hope of success. Only one receiver was even targeted other than Davante Adams. Too many drives failed because runs on first and second down turned into third and long and hope. No pocket was safe. No throw was accurate. No run had a real chance.

In LaFleur’s defense, when the other team can stop the run and pressure the QB with four guys. It allows them to double Davante and play with two high safeties. At that point someone needs to step up. Allen Lazard had the one target. Randall Cobb had none. I doubt LaFleur was standing on the sideline the whole game with the radio turned off making no adjustments. Either way, changes are necessary for next season.

Game Management

LaFleur has been pretty good at game management over his tenure with Green Bay. He usually goes for it on 4th down when he should. He doesn’t run too much. He’s aggressive. In this game, however, he too often played not to lose.

It started with a punt in the second quarter. The Packers had the ball around midfield, and it was 4th and 2. Instead of going for it they made the most loathsome play call in football – the one where the offense half heartedly acts like they’re going to snap the ball to try to draw a phantom offsides that never happens. Timo Riske put it best:


In the playoffs you have to play to win. You can’t run on first and second down. You have to go for it on fourth a down a lot, especially if your special teams plays like they just learned that football existed yesterday.

Instead of going for it, the Packers punted and gained about 30 yards of field position. Big whoop.

Moving On

There’s a lot of negativity in this article and it’s warranted. But I’m not as negative about the Packers future prospects as others. I would guess Rodgers and Adams contract extensions are coming and they’ll run it back again.

A lot of players will be gone (likely Z, Billy Turner, Randall Cobb, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, De’Vondre Campbell, Whitney Mercilus, Rasul Douglas and maybe Jordan Love), but Gutekunst deserves the benefit of the doubt that he’ll do well building the backend of the roster with cheap free agents (extremely cheap in this case) and the draft and the core (Gary, Preston, Jones, Dillon, the whole, when healthy, o line, Amos, Jaire, Stokes, Clark, and Savage) is excellent.

Additionally, LaFleur really is one of the best coaches in the league. He and is team have designed a creative and innovative offense. They usually put Rodgers and his receivers in a good position. We’ll never know how much four Nate Hackett interviews last week negatively affected this game plan, but I do trust that LaFleur knows how to hire the right kind of offensive coaches to keep the momentum going. Even if Jordan Love is the QB.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 07:19
by Pugger
Scott4Pack wrote:
24 Jan 2022 07:06
I agree with this article. And he puts into details what I haven't fully expressed in the past.

https://packerstalk.com/2022/01/23/the- ... t-lafleur/

***
The Fault for That Loss Lies Squarely On Matt LaFleur
by Mike Price

Earlier this season I wrote about all the reasons Matt LaFleur deserved to win the coach of the year award. In that post, I also detailed the argument against LaFleur for COTY:

Really, the case against should be that when faced with a bottom of the league special teams and middle of the league defense at the end of last season, LaFleur blinked. He promoted an internal special teams’ coach to coordinator and hired a familiar face as defensive coordinator.

In the end, that flaw turned out to be fatal. There were plenty of other reasons for the loss, and we’ll go over them here, but put any competent coach in charge of the special teams’ unit and Green Bay is onto its third straight championship game right now. Let’s go over it all and why, like LaFleur mentioned in his press conference, it comes down to him.

The Special Teams Disaster

LaFleur reportedly wanted to offer Darren Rizzi the Special Teams gig three years ago, but Rizzi was low-balled by Packers’ admin and chose the Saints instead. Hiring Shawn Mennenga and then Maurice Drayton has been an unprecedented disaster. We all thought the special teams were bad under Ron Zook, but they were never this bad.

To compound the problem, LaFleur didn’t make an in-season change despite weeks of evidence that Drayton wasn’t up to the job. It’s understandable. It’s hard to replace a coordinator mid-season and it’s hard to fire someone who you’ve worked with for three years.

But when former NFL kickers and punt returners can easily identify the issues live from their couches, there’s an obvious problem with the coach’s competence. It’s LaFleur’s responsibility to identify that and make the change. There were ten guys on the field for the last field goal for crying out loud.

Starting Dennis Kelly over Yosh Njiman

When asked about this decision in the press conference last night, LaFleur said, “I understand that it’s part of it when you don’t get the results that you want, that everything is going to be second guessed.”

It’s reasonable to make the semi-galaxy brain coaching decision to play Billy Turner (who hadn’t played in weeks) out of position, Lucas Patrick at a position he’d only played once in months against the type of defender he always struggles against, and to start Dennis Kelly over Yosh Njiman, who is significantly more athletic. The coaching staff obviously knows these players a lot more than we do.

The problem is not adjusting. It was clear starting on the third drive that those five weren’t going to cut it. Kelly couldn’t block Bosa. Patrick couldn’t block Armstead.

What is the downside of bringing in Njiman to play left tackle while Turner moves to either right tackle or right guard? How could the offense have possibly gotten worse with that change in the second half? And if they weren’t going to make a change, why did they stick with the same offensive game plan that wasn’t working?

Gameplan Problems

In the first matchup, the Packers put up 30 points, despite being down a few guys on the offensive line, because they relied on the quick pass game and offered chip help to tackles to slow down the edge rush. Rodgers was able to quickly make decisions and move the ball.

In this game, the team moved right down the field with the same quick passing game on the first drive and a half (until Marcedes Lewis fumbled to the surprise of no Packers fan; isn’t it up to the coaches to make sure players don’t hold the ball the worst possible way every single time they possess it?) and then stopped.

Quick passes on first down turned into one yard runs or five step drop passes with no hope of success. Only one receiver was even targeted other than Davante Adams. Too many drives failed because runs on first and second down turned into third and long and hope. No pocket was safe. No throw was accurate. No run had a real chance.

In LaFleur’s defense, when the other team can stop the run and pressure the QB with four guys. It allows them to double Davante and play with two high safeties. At that point someone needs to step up. Allen Lazard had the one target. Randall Cobb had none. I doubt LaFleur was standing on the sideline the whole game with the radio turned off making no adjustments. Either way, changes are necessary for next season.

Game Management

LaFleur has been pretty good at game management over his tenure with Green Bay. He usually goes for it on 4th down when he should. He doesn’t run too much. He’s aggressive. In this game, however, he too often played not to lose.

It started with a punt in the second quarter. The Packers had the ball around midfield, and it was 4th and 2. Instead of going for it they made the most loathsome play call in football – the one where the offense half heartedly acts like they’re going to snap the ball to try to draw a phantom offsides that never happens. Timo Riske put it best:


In the playoffs you have to play to win. You can’t run on first and second down. You have to go for it on fourth a down a lot, especially if your special teams plays like they just learned that football existed yesterday.

Instead of going for it, the Packers punted and gained about 30 yards of field position. Big whoop.

Moving On

There’s a lot of negativity in this article and it’s warranted. But I’m not as negative about the Packers future prospects as others. I would guess Rodgers and Adams contract extensions are coming and they’ll run it back again.

A lot of players will be gone (likely Z, Billy Turner, Randall Cobb, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, De’Vondre Campbell, Whitney Mercilus, Rasul Douglas and maybe Jordan Love), but Gutekunst deserves the benefit of the doubt that he’ll do well building the backend of the roster with cheap free agents (extremely cheap in this case) and the draft and the core (Gary, Preston, Jones, Dillon, the whole, when healthy, o line, Amos, Jaire, Stokes, Clark, and Savage) is excellent.

Additionally, LaFleur really is one of the best coaches in the league. He and is team have designed a creative and innovative offense. They usually put Rodgers and his receivers in a good position. We’ll never know how much four Nate Hackett interviews last week negatively affected this game plan, but I do trust that LaFleur knows how to hire the right kind of offensive coaches to keep the momentum going. Even if Jordan Love is the QB.
I agree with most of this article but one of MLF's best offseason moves was hiring Berry as DC. Without his All-Pro CB and OLB for most of the season that group played pretty darn well. That was the one group who played at a championship level Saturday night. Yes, a lot of players could be gone if Gute keeps Adams and Rodgers in 2022. Like the Journal/Sentinel article Yoop posted said our best bet going forward is to trade Adams and Rodgers for high picks, keep the core of the defense together and lean on that along with a running game behind Love.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 07:25
by Yoop
Scott4Pack wrote:
24 Jan 2022 07:06
LaFleur reportedly wanted to offer Darren Rizzi the Special Teams gig three years ago, but Rizzi was low-balled by Packers’ admin and chose the Saints instead. Hiring Shawn Mennenga and then Maurice Drayton has been an unprecedented disaster. We all thought the special teams were bad under Ron Zook, but they were never this bad.
since Lafluer wasn't able to hire Rizzi why does this writer think he had carta blanc to fire or hire anyone without the approval of Russ Ball who reneged on the offer to Rizzi in the first place, also forced Lafluer to hire cheap assistents at OL and several other cord positions.

Lafluer, as well as Guty have to have approval to do stuff from Murphy, and Murphy has chosen to make Russ Ball his right hand man, and Russ ball was and probably is still upset that he wasn't made General manager in control of all football related operations, imho our issues with special teams cord lie at the feet of Russ Ball, and probably a ton of other stuff as well.

Since when does a financial person be given the control Murphy has bestowed upon this guy????????

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 08:32
by paco
Yoop wrote:
24 Jan 2022 07:25
carta blanc
Yoop your spelling, or lack thereof, is almost endearing at this point. Almost. :lol:

It's carte blanche

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 08:50
by Yoop
paco wrote:
24 Jan 2022 08:32
Yoop wrote:
24 Jan 2022 07:25
carta blanc
Yoop your spelling, or lack thereof, is almost endearing at this point. Almost. :lol:

It's carte blanche
haaaaa, you'll never know how close I came to adding on the h and e to blanc but no red line appeared so why chance it :rotf:

this Rizzi non hire captures our woes with ST's to a tee, I'am so glad Matt was able to hire Barry without Russ Ball reneging on that deal.

Re: 49ers @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/22 - 7:15 CST

Posted: 24 Jan 2022 09:21
by BF004
I would also like to give fair criticism to Aaron Jones's boneheaded plays before half.


First he goes out of bounds at our own 10 yardline when we are trying to run out the clock on 2nd down.

Then 1 play later, beautiful 75 yard play, but then fails to go out of bounds when we could have saved a timeout there.



Sack and two &%$@ ST plays later, SF has the ball at the 50 to start the 3rd quarter.