Packers Huddle

texas wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:36

APB wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:06

texas wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:00

I don't want him. He's washed up.

He wasn’t today. Played a solid game.

Yeah but he's old news. Past his time. I guess if he wanted to play for the veteran minimum then I wouldn't mind having him come here, because the potential risk is so low while I suppose there is a potential benefit.

Woodson and Peppers were washed up too

Let’s just give up some real loot and go rescue quinnen Williams from the Jets

BF004 wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2020 09:41

So lot of JJ Watt talk hitting the twitter sphere.

I would love to add him, as I mentioned before and was ridiculed by guys like yoho.

Are you using "the twittersphere" as an indication that you were onto something?

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 21:33

Let’s just give up some real loot and go rescue quinnen Williams from the Jets

What do we have that would be worth it to the Jets to quit on a top 5 pick?

I'm not really sure what trade I would swing. Quinnen or a stud DT in general sounds kinda good but we probably couldn't hold onto the guy with Clark in the fold. Or maybe a Minkah Fitzpatrick-type addition. I guess Watt could have a similar effect but his injury history worries me.

I want him. He is still good (not great anymore). But the price must be right, he is not Mack or Bosa.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 21:46

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 21:33

Let’s just give up some real loot and go rescue quinnen Williams from the Jets

What do we have that would be worth it to the Jets to quit on a top 5 pick?

Yeah the Quinnen trade talks make no sense. He’s not even playing poorly. He’s one of the few bright spots on that trash team. If all they want is a 1st round pick I think it’s a no brained but I expect they would want more than what is likely to be a late round pick.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 21:29

texas wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:36

APB wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:06

He wasn’t today. Played a solid game.

Yeah but he's old news. Past his time. I guess if he wanted to play for the veteran minimum then I wouldn't mind having him come here, because the potential risk is so low while I suppose there is a potential benefit.

Woodson and Peppers were washed up too

Nah I know that's what the masses said but not according to me. In this case, I'm saying it.

If we add something, I'm stuck in groundhog day mode wanting one WR...

The WRs we have are fine while a game is close and we can ease their burden by threatening with the run and flexing RBs out. But I have zero faith in anyone but Adams to get open and catch the ball if we happen to fall behind, the D no longer worries about the run, and the WRs have to start making tougher plays.

On DL, Monty and Keke have started to make plays. Even Lowry wasn't bad last night. I mean, if we can get Watt for peanuts, it would be cool. But I'd rather add an ILB or CB rather than another big OLB/DE.

texas wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 23:55

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 21:29

texas wrote: ↑

25 Oct 2020 20:36

Yeah but he's old news. Past his time. I guess if he wanted to play for the veteran minimum then I wouldn't mind having him come here, because the potential risk is so low while I suppose there is a potential benefit.

Woodson and Peppers were washed up too

Nah I know that's what the masses said but not according to me. In this case, I'm saying it.

Did you watch the game yesterday

I will be happy, and I bet Rodgers will be too, when Lazard is back. Depending on Barnes' injury, having Kirksey back will be nice too. But he should be #3 behind Barnes and Martin. I still hold out hope for Summers, but he was rough in limited time yesterday.

paco wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:35

I will be happy, and I bet Rodgers will be too, when Lazard is back. Depending on Barnes' injury, having Kirksey back will be nice too. But he should be #3 behind Barnes and Martin. I still hold out hope for Summers, but he was rough in limited time yesterday.

We desperately need Lazard back. ESB showed a lot of rust with a mistimed route and drop last game. This week MVS kind of does what he’s been his whole career. He’s just downright bad. If it wasn’t for his speed he would be out of the league. He actually has no skill to his game for a 3rd year player.

We need a reliable 2. I don’t think they need to trade for one Lazard is that player. They just need to find someone to be a 3rd option when he’s back. It looks like Taylor is inching his way there. A shame ESB blew his shot last week.

paco wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:35

I will be happy, and I bet Rodgers will be too, when Lazard is back. Depending on Barnes' injury, having Kirksey back will be nice too. But he should be #3 behind Barnes and Martin. I still hold out hope for Summers, but he was rough in limited time yesterday.

Based on the injury, I don't expect Lazard back for another ~3 weeks; elligble does not mean expected and in the timeline; we know a bit less about Kirksey.

How was Martin's play yesterday?

Also, Summers is a pretty darn good football player in every way aside from making the tackle/finishing the play. It's infuriating. he's so often in the right place and gets to the ballcarrier and just... the ballcarrier keeps going.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:38

paco wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:35

I will be happy, and I bet Rodgers will be too, when Lazard is back. Depending on Barnes' injury, having Kirksey back will be nice too. But he should be #3 behind Barnes and Martin. I still hold out hope for Summers, but he was rough in limited time yesterday.

We desperately need Lazard back. ESB showed a lot of rust with a mistimed route and drop last game. This week MVS kind of does what he’s been his whole career. He’s just downright bad. If it wasn’t for his speed he would be out of the league. He actually has no skill to his game for a 3rd year player.

We need a reliable 2. I don’t think they need to trade for one Lazard is that player. They just need to find someone to be a 3rd option when he’s back. It looks like Taylor is inching his way there. A shame ESB blew his shot last week.

Taylor does seem to be inching into that spot. Rodgers looked like he was happy with him and wanted to go to him. Hoping to see him continue the upward trend. I'm hoping St. Brown continues to improve as the season goes on. But I'm starting to agree on MVS. The concentration issues aren't going away. Has to catch balls that hit him in the hands.

Here comes an unpopular take...

The improvement of the offense with Adams out doesn't happen because Adams makes our offense worse, it happens because we look his way too often and don't play within the offense enough. When Adams can feast on poor DBs, it all looks fine, but when we lineup against a good defense, this backfires. Absolutely should one of the best receivers in the game be a focal point of the passing game, but we need to be able to adapt when he becomes the focus of a good defense's coverage. We have other good weapons on the football team: Jones, Williams, Tonyan, Lazard. We need to be OK with not feeding Adams the ball and taking what the defense gives us.

Why this after a good road win? Some things still happened yesterday that were concerning. Looking for the big play too often. Getting happy feet. Slightly off target throws (can be attributed to happy feet). Rodgers had some AWESOME throws yesterday, especially the dime to Adams on 3rd down. It would be interesting to see that throw. Getting Lazard back will help immensely. Getting Ervin back will help too. I think we need to make him our slot.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:43

Here comes an unpopular take...

The improvement of the offense with Adams out doesn't happen because Adams makes our offense worse, it happens because we look his way too often and don't play within the offense enough. When Adams can feast on poor DBs, it all looks fine, but when we lineup against a good defense, this backfires. Absolutely should one of the best receivers in the game be a focal point of the passing game, but we need to be able to adapt when he becomes the focus of a good defense's coverage. We have other good weapons the football team: Jones, Williams, Tonyan, Lazard. We need to be OK with not feeding Adams the ball and taking what the defense gives us.

Why this after a good road win? Some things still happened yesterday that were concerning. Looking for the big play too often. Getting happy feet. Slightly off target throws (can be attributed to happy feet). Rodgers had some AWESOME throws yesterday, especially the dime to Adams on 3rd down. It would be interesting to see that throw. Getting Lazard back will help immensely. Getting Ervin back will help too. I think we need to make him our slot.

Not an unpopular take with me. I agree whole-heartedly.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

26 Oct 2020 09:43

Here comes an unpopular take...

The improvement of the offense with Adams out doesn't happen because Adams makes our offense worse, it happens because we look his way too often and don't play within the offense enough. When Adams can feast on poor DBs, it all looks fine, but when we lineup against a good defense, this backfires. Absolutely should one of the best receivers in the game be a focal point of the passing game, but we need to be able to adapt when he becomes the focus of a good defense's coverage. We have other good weapons on the football team: Jones, Williams, Tonyan, Lazard. We need to be OK with not feeding Adams the ball and taking what the defense gives us.

Why this after a good road win? Some things still happened yesterday that were concerning. Looking for the big play too often. Getting happy feet. Slightly off target throws (can be attributed to happy feet). Rodgers had some AWESOME throws yesterday, especially the dime to Adams on 3rd down. It would be interesting to see that throw. Getting Lazard back will help immensely. Getting Ervin back will help too. I think we need to make him our slot.

I don't think that's an unpopular take at all. I mostly agree with it.

Where I think this offense runs into trouble is related to a comment I heard while watching the Chargers-Jaguars game yesterday. They were speaking about Keenan Allen and all the targets he gets from Herbert (who is fantastic, btw). James Lofton, the color commentator, responded with (paraphrasing) "there's really nothing wrong with it when the player is as talented as Allen. When I look at game tape of him, he's open like 80% of the time so why wouldn't Herbert continue to target him?"

I think Rodgers sees the same thing in Adams. He gets open despite the coverage attention he gets. That, and Rodgers clearly has total and full trust in Adams' ability to win a contested ball. I'd even go so far to say he has more faith in Adams to win a contested ball over any of the other WRs on the roster ability to catch a clean ball.

I think that if a team has a reliable plan to take Adams out of the game, it leaves the remaining pass catchers in position to be schemed open, and Rodgers will/should get the backs and TEs involved.

I think when Adams is consistently facing man situations or just favorable matchups and a poor secondary in general, Aaron locks onto him and it works.

The problem is when the opposing team is finding more success defending Adams than Aaron expects and he's unwilling to go with the scheme and lesser players because he feels like Adams should be able to win these battles on his own.

Also, if Rodgers has lost confidence in MVS and doesn't have Lazard, we're approaching that dangerous territory of last year (last few seasons) where he breaks scheme totally and forces it to Adams in ill-advised ways. That's what I think 23 is talking about and while maybe it happened in TB (I didn't watch that game and still don't understand how that happened) but today, the calculation that Adams could run wild worked.

It cannot be the gameplan every week, but just because we got crushed in Adams' first game back from injury last week, we're still 3-1 with him and had a fantastic offensive output in those 3 wins, including yesterday.

I personally think it comes down to whether or not the OL comes to play. If they get punched in the mouth, can get any consistent run with no extras on the box and can’t consistently block a 4 man rush, everything goes to hell no matter who is at WR or RB.