It appears Jaire Alexander's knee was not getting better. It's being reported he has now elected to have surgery and is likely done for the season.
Jaire Alexander To Have Surgery
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Why wasn't this done a month ago?
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Shoot. Wish they detected this in October/November but you don't always know these things at the time.
On the positive, maybe there isn't a rift and Jaw will come back next year. Dude elevated our defense when on the field. Our secondary was basically the best in the league when he was on the field. Some of the worst when he has been off the field.
On the positive, maybe there isn't a rift and Jaw will come back next year. Dude elevated our defense when on the field. Our secondary was basically the best in the league when he was on the field. Some of the worst when he has been off the field.
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Are these the same guys who worked on Bakh? 
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Hearing that he is now officially IR.
Wait for next year for him now.
Wait for next year for him now.
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Makes sense to do it now. We need to get another guy on the roster.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑01 Jan 2025 16:02Hearing that he is now officially IR.
Wait for next year for him now.
1. Chicago
2. Wild Card
3. Divisional
4. Conference Finals
Then we could activate him for the SB if possible.
Packers' medical staff just isn't very good. The head guys are all really old and risk averse. So you get situations like this, where just rest and PT type stuff doesn't help for months and now the season runs out.
They couldn't figure out Watson's hamstring issues for two years, and all it took was putting him on a Biodex (which Bellin Titletown right across from Lambeau has) and checking for strength imbalances.
Well, that sucks. Never good to hear about a player needing surgery.
I came into this world KICKING and screaming, naked, and covered in blood that wasn't mine.
I am prepared to go out the same way if I need to.
I am prepared to go out the same way if I need to.
Be specific. Who is really old and risk averse? I know Pat is old but beyond that...wallyuwl wrote: ↑01 Jan 2025 16:14Packers' medical staff just isn't very good. The head guys are all really old and risk averse. So you get situations like this, where just rest and PT type stuff doesn't help for months and now the season runs out.
They couldn't figure out Watson's hamstring issues for two years, and all it took was putting him on a Biodex (which Bellin Titletown right across from Lambeau has) and checking for strength imbalances.
Head Guy of Player and Health and Performance - Bryan Engel looks to be in his 40's
Head Athetlic Trainer Nate Weir looks to be in his low 40's
The Orthopods Dr. Ryan and Anderson are young and frankly new to Green Bay (one was in Charlotte and the other Alabama)
Do you know these guys personally and that's why you're making this statement or is it just an off the cuff comment because Pat McKenzie looks old?
I was referring mostly to McKenzie and Pepper, the top guys. Didn't know Pepper was gone (retired?). I am in an adjacent field and just hear things. Some of the docs with GBP are/were team docs at my employer. Not that any of the doctors are "bad" but they are risk averse. Sometimes surgery is the answer and in sports you don't have 4 months to try PT and PRP to see if it works.
Bellin has the best sports medicine docs in the area (Shepet, Spears, Ebben) but after decades it seems GBP is going mostly with Prevea (Anderson excepted, who is now back in North Carolina after being at Bellin for 6 years - I wonder if GBP going mostly with Prevea now had anything to do with it) for their docs since McKenzie left Bellin for Prevea (not sure if he left Bellin or if Bellin got rid of him). Bellin is still a sponsor.
Not directly related but worth mentioning because it gives perspective: Prevea ditched AR as spokesman because he told the truth about the jabs.
Not being able to figure out Watson's hamstrings issue locally for two years is terrible incompetence. I was saying on this very forum what was the likely issue, and he needed isokinetic testing and eccentric work. Guess what he did when they sent him to Madison?
Bellin has the best sports medicine docs in the area (Shepet, Spears, Ebben) but after decades it seems GBP is going mostly with Prevea (Anderson excepted, who is now back in North Carolina after being at Bellin for 6 years - I wonder if GBP going mostly with Prevea now had anything to do with it) for their docs since McKenzie left Bellin for Prevea (not sure if he left Bellin or if Bellin got rid of him). Bellin is still a sponsor.
Not directly related but worth mentioning because it gives perspective: Prevea ditched AR as spokesman because he told the truth about the jabs.
Not being able to figure out Watson's hamstrings issue locally for two years is terrible incompetence. I was saying on this very forum what was the likely issue, and he needed isokinetic testing and eccentric work. Guess what he did when they sent him to Madison?
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Nothing in your criticism of the Packer training staff addresses the fact the player has final say in whether to opt for surgery or allow for the injury to heal through rehabilitation.
I believe it very likely Jaire, based upon the multiple opinions he reportedly received (among them being undoubtedly outside the Packer training staff), opted to forego surgery and pursue healing through non-invasive means.
It obviously didn't work out as he/they had hoped.
That doesn't make him, his doctors, or anybody else the bad guy in this situation as you seemingly appear to assert. It just is what it is.
Nothing in your criticism of the Packer training staff addresses the fact the player has final say in whether to opt for surgery or allow for the injury to heal through rehabilitation.
I believe it very likely Jaire, based upon the multiple opinions he reportedly received (among them being undoubtedly outside the Packer training staff), opted to forego surgery and pursue healing through non-invasive means.
It obviously didn't work out as he/they had hoped.
That doesn't make him, his doctors, or anybody else the bad guy in this situation as you seemingly appear to assert. It just is what it is.
That was the former strength and conditioning staff who have all since been replaced. I'm not sure what that has to do with Alexander's current condition. Perhaps you could educate the forum by outlining how the former S&C staff impact Alexander's 2024 season plight?
Sure the player has final say. He got bad advice.APB wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025 06:36@wallyuwl
Nothing in your criticism of the Packer training staff addresses the fact the player has final say in whether to opt for surgery or allow for the injury to heal through rehabilitation.
I believe it very likely Jaire, based upon the multiple opinions he reportedly received (among them being undoubtedly outside the Packer training staff), opted to forego surgery and pursue healing through non-invasive means.
It obviously didn't work out as he/they had hoped.
That doesn't make him, his doctors, or anybody else the bad guy in this situation as you seemingly appear to assert. It just is what it is.
That was the former strength and conditioning staff who have all since been replaced. I'm not sure what that has to do with Alexander's current condition. Perhaps you could enlighten the forum by outlining how the former S&C staff impact Alexander's 2024 season plight?
The AT staff has a huge role in things like Watson's hamstrings issues.
The point is that the medical team isn't great.
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I would venture to say his PCL probably wasn’t fully torn so he was put into rebab, which wouldn’t be uncommon. The question then is was the rehab and return for Bears game too aggressive or is this just an odd situation where the rehab didn’t work? The comments Jaire initially made seemed to think he was put in a contact situation too quickly.
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I didn't want to consider this. But I just listened to Andy Herman about Jaire's situation. And now, I'm thinking there is likely a 90% chance that Jaire will not suit up for GB in 2025. In short, the Pack could release/trade him before next year and only "lose" about ~$7M against the cap, OR, they can play him one more season and deal with a much larger cap impact. All this while he's only played about 50% of the games in the past 3-4 years.
It sucks to think we would lose him. Yeah, something could happen to rework his contract. But how much has GB done that in recent memory?
Add that Stokes is FA after this season.
We could be looking at needing TWO new starting CBs in 2025. Maybe Guty spends for a top tier FA CB. I actually hope so. And maybe he drafts a top tier CB in the spring and adds a mid level CB in FA and/or draft. It'll be interesting to see.
Add that Jaire will end up someplace. We probably get either a conditional draft pick or nothing at all. (Remember his injury history.) But somebody will pick up the dude and roll the dice with him. Bears? (Don't say Vikes!)
It sucks to think we would lose him. Yeah, something could happen to rework his contract. But how much has GB done that in recent memory?
Add that Stokes is FA after this season.
We could be looking at needing TWO new starting CBs in 2025. Maybe Guty spends for a top tier FA CB. I actually hope so. And maybe he drafts a top tier CB in the spring and adds a mid level CB in FA and/or draft. It'll be interesting to see.
Add that Jaire will end up someplace. We probably get either a conditional draft pick or nothing at all. (Remember his injury history.) But somebody will pick up the dude and roll the dice with him. Bears? (Don't say Vikes!)
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His cap hit rises from $23.98M in 2024 to $25.86M in 2025. There is a lot being made of the 2025 number, but it is not much more than the 2024 number. Here are the numbers for cutting Alexander this offseason:
2025 Dead Cap: $19,092,000
2025 Savings: $6,772,000
He will count an additional $16,150,000 in base salary, $650,000 in roster bonus, and $700,000 in workout bonus, so $17.5M in total if we don't cut or trade him before 2025.
Media is definitely running with the cut him story, but I am not sure it's a great move to do it this year. He definitely has to play and that is a HUGE question mark with him.
2025 Dead Cap: $19,092,000
2025 Savings: $6,772,000
He will count an additional $16,150,000 in base salary, $650,000 in roster bonus, and $700,000 in workout bonus, so $17.5M in total if we don't cut or trade him before 2025.
Media is definitely running with the cut him story, but I am not sure it's a great move to do it this year. He definitely has to play and that is a HUGE question mark with him.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Nothing constructive to add at the moment, other than that I am mad as hell. But I doubt anyone here is surprised at that.
Cowboy up.
Yeah basically saves $17 Million over the life of the contract if we cut him going into 2025.
Me? I am in the camp of keep him. The reason I say that is Alexander was seen as a leader in the defense while on the field. He was breaking down the huddles. He had a pick 6 when we played our backup QB and our defense's pass numbers are outstanding in the games he played.
His availability is atrocious the last 3 seasons. His play also isn't what it was pre 2021 but it's still top 20 CB level and was trending up this year (I like to think he is a really good fit with Hafely)
Replacing Jaw in FA is going to cost just as much if not more. The availabilty argument is strong. He's not worth $17 Million if he doesn't play. But I am also willing to take that gamble that he does because a #1 CB is just so darned valuable. I am in the keep him camp assuming the relationship between he and the Packers are strong.
Me? I am in the camp of keep him. The reason I say that is Alexander was seen as a leader in the defense while on the field. He was breaking down the huddles. He had a pick 6 when we played our backup QB and our defense's pass numbers are outstanding in the games he played.
His availability is atrocious the last 3 seasons. His play also isn't what it was pre 2021 but it's still top 20 CB level and was trending up this year (I like to think he is a really good fit with Hafely)
Replacing Jaw in FA is going to cost just as much if not more. The availabilty argument is strong. He's not worth $17 Million if he doesn't play. But I am also willing to take that gamble that he does because a #1 CB is just so darned valuable. I am in the keep him camp assuming the relationship between he and the Packers are strong.