MLF and BG had their camp-opening press conferences yesterday; I hadn't seen much about them (actually any)
And as a bonus, the distanced-version of these means that you can actually hear the questions!
Gutey
MLF
It's MOSTLY about COVID stuff and how they'll adapt.
Some takeaways from me:
No other players have talked to management about option out
The scouting staff really liked that Lovett guy they claimed from the Chiefs
They're going to stick with 90-man, split squad until they have to cut down (though they're at 87 right now even including their COVID list)
I thought I had more takeaways yesterday when I listened but if I can't remember them today they must not be that important.
Re: Training Camp Pressers
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 11:07
by go pak go
Yeah the only real nugget I got was Gute did mention how excited he was for Yosh to get on the field and how he liked the Oline depth.
And it sounds like there is no plan to bring back Tramon at the moment.
Re: Training Camp Pressers
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 11:16
by NCF
How many different ways can you say nothing?
Re: Training Camp Pressers
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 12:09
by BF004
Only thing of use I kind of gathered was I am not expecting Tramon back this year at any point.
Little surprised, thought he played well last year.
Kind of screwed if Sullivan doesn't match his success or we have any kind of injury to King or Alexander, both of whom have shown will be likely at some point.
Only thing of use I kind of gathered was I am not expecting Tramon back this year at any point.
Little surprised, thought he played well last year.
Kind of screwed if Sullivan doesn't match his success or we have any kind of injury to King or Alexander, both of whom have shown will be likely at some point.
They’ve got 3 you g CBs they’re looking to step into the role between Sullivan, Holman, and Jackson. Might as well start pushing to get them out there.
Also the more money we spend now the less we have to roll over into next season when the cap will be significantly less.
Only thing of use I kind of gathered was I am not expecting Tramon back this year at any point.
Little surprised, thought he played well last year.
Kind of screwed if Sullivan doesn't match his success or we have any kind of injury to King or Alexander, both of whom have shown will be likely at some point.
They’ve got 3 you g CBs they’re looking to step into the role between Sullivan, Holman, and Jackson. Might as well start pushing to get them out there.
Also the more money we spend now the less we have to roll over into next season when the cap will be significantly less.
I get all that, but not sure what out of Hollman or Jackson would make anyone think they will be able to amount to anything, guess I definitely just don't see it.
Kind of screwed if Sullivan doesn't match his success or we have any kind of injury to King or Alexander, both of whom have shown will be likely at some point.
It's true; we are totes screwed if our starters get injured and our young players don't perform well at a vital position. Which I imagine is true for virtually every team at virtually every vital position.
I get all that, but not sure what out of Hollman or Jackson would make anyone think they will be able to amount to anything, guess I definitely just don't see it.
Are you evaluating Hollman by his lack of playing time? Because there isn't much film to watch and evaluate and make a positive or negative interpretation.
What I've seen is that it is extremely difficult for rookies to get on the field under MLF, with Savage being the only day one starter in the bunch and Jenkins taking over only due to injury.
What I've seen is that it is extremely difficult for rookies to get on the field under MLF, with Savage being the only day one starter in the bunch and Jenkins taking over only due to injury.
I don't think we can make that determination after only 1 season. LaFleur really hasn't shown he is more or less disposed to keeping rookies on the bench. Rookies don't start right out of the gate often, regardless of team. Last season, 55 drafted rookies started 9 or more games. 25 started 14 or more games and the Packers account for 2 of those. Taking a look at our rookies themselves, Gary wasn't going to start ahead of the Smiths. Savage started out of necessity. Sternberger went on IR right out of the gate. Jenkins took offensive snaps in week 2 and started every week after that. That would be the only partial example of Lafleur being reticent of starting rookies, more so than other coaches. Jenkins could have been starting early on without the injury to Taylor anyway, but we will never know that.
What I've seen is that it is extremely difficult for rookies to get on the field under MLF, with Savage being the only day one starter in the bunch and Jenkins taking over only due to injury.
It is quite rare to have two competent starters year 1 from any rookie class. Don't think that evidence at all supports your premise.
I don't think we can make that determination after only 1 season. LaFleur really hasn't shown he is more or less disposed to keeping rookies on the bench. Rookies don't start right out of the gate often, regardless of team. Taking a look at our rookies themselves, Gary wasn't going to start ahead of the Smiths. Savage started out of necessity. Sternberger went on IR right out of the gate. Jenkins took offensive snaps in week 2 and started every week after that. That would be the only partial example of Lafleur being reticent of starting rookies, more so than other coaches. Jenkins could have been starting early on without the injury to Taylor anyway, but we will never know that.
I agree, it is too early to make that determination. But it is my preliminary hypothesis.
MLF said outright that he went with Taylor over Jenkins because of the comfort of experience. He kept Dexter Williams on the active roster, but when the RBs ahead of him got hurt, they pulled up Tra Carson from the PS and started him ahead of Williams. They played Hollman with the 2nd team and occasionally first team throughout camp, but when the season started, they went back to Brown and Jackson. Gary played behind not just the Smiths, but Fackrell.
Like you said, Savage was an outright necessity; Jenkins became basically a necessity when Taylor got hurt.
Re: Training Camp Pressers
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 13:06
by Pckfn23
Last season, 55 drafted rookies started 9 or more games. 25 started 14 or more games and the Packers account for 2 of those.
I don't see those preseason looks and then subsequent "roster demotions" as outright not wanting to play rookies. I see them as giving rookies a chance, but they simply did not have what it took to be starters or large contributors at that time. I don't see it as shying away from rookies simply because they are rookies.
I don't see those preseason looks and then subsequent "roster demotions" as outright not wanting to play rookies. I see them as giving rookies a chance, but they simply did not have what it took to be starters or large contributors at that time. I don't see it as shying away from rookies simply because they are rookies.
But you're giving "credit" for playing Jenkins when he wasn't given the starting job. Had Taylor never gotten injured, he likely wouldn't have played. The fact that he was an All-Rookie OG and MLF chose to start a below average OG in front of him for the experience of comfort is actually some of my best evidence, yet y'all are counting it as "a rookie played." NOT BY CHOICE.
I don't see those preseason looks and then subsequent "roster demotions" as outright not wanting to play rookies. I see them as giving rookies a chance, but they simply did not have what it took to be starters or large contributors at that time. I don't see it as shying away from rookies simply because they are rookies.
But you're giving "credit" for playing Jenkins when he wasn't given the starting job. Had Taylor never gotten injured, he likely wouldn't have played. The fact that he was an All-Rookie OG and MLF chose to start a below average OG in front of him for the experience of comfort is actually some of my best evidence, yet y'all are counting it as "a rookie played." NOT BY CHOICE.
I think you are stretching that "evidence" too far. We don't know how long Jenkins would have stayed behind Taylor. You are assuming it would have been the entire season. It could have been week 3 regardless of the injury. We don't know. That's exactly what I said early. It's the only evidence really and it is incomplete because injury put him into the starting lineup.
Little suggests to me that Lafleur is more conservative than most in playing rookies.
Re: Training Camp Pressers
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 13:59
by Pckfn23
Clark was up and down in just over 20 minutes. A lot of similar things to what LaFleur and Gutekunst talked about. A few actual football questions.
I am actively not looking forward to Rodgers' presser... until he's on the field, it's gonna be all 'Love/future with the team' all the time. He usually has a few good nuggets anyway, but still...
