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sounds easy reading about it, we all can think up about who shoulda done what, and when they shoulda done it, again, I think Lafleur is defending Love, and just absorbing the blame himself, ( I agree with Bud about that) I also don't think there was a lot of adjusting that could have shielded Love from the all out pass rush, the execution of the plays failed, the end around was not disguised well enough pre snap, and that is why KC new it was coming.
any QB will struggle under a intense pass rush, we see that every week from even the best, it is the number one reason young QB's bust out, it is to a QB what kryptonite is to superman, and it's basically my only reason for thinking Love will struggle, imo, last season showed he's made some improvement.
It's true that most quarterbacks struggle when being pressured for most of the game. I wonder if another quarterback would have been able to read the Chiefs' defense well enough to negate some of their pass rush though.
Actually that's what I'm most worried about with Love. I'm convinced he has all the athletic tools necessary to be a great QB at the pro level. I'm not sure he's capable of correctly reading a defense for the majority of plays though. If he can't he won't end up having a good career though.
I don't think another QB would have made a difference. The offense has to have the answers to beat the pressure and by LaFleur's own admission, they didn't that day. One of the things I have most appreciated about Andy Herman this training camp is reporting on Love's decision making through the ups and downs. Everyone else tweets out big pass plays and ugly pass plays, but there are 100 variables there. It seems Love has, more times than not, made the right reads and that is super encouraging to me. As you say, with the tools he has, I think the rest will come and he can put it all together.
to me what separates Aaron Rodgers 08 start, and Love this season is tutoring from the starting QB over the 3 year tutoring span, Favre as we all know wanted nothing to do with that, even made remarks that he wasn't here to coach up his replacement, and Rodgers actually taking Love under his wing, taught him how to study game film, break down defenses, Love imho is light years ahead of where Rodgers was in 08, so naturally I expect he'll be far more prepared at reading defenses and setting up his blocking and avoiding the rush.
people hate Rodgers, and now adore Bert as though he was some angel, when it should be the other way around, Rodgers did for Love what Bert never did for Rodgers.
Who hates Rodgers? 08 was an outstanding year for a first time starter. The only thing we were missing was Bret's ints. The O didn't miss a beat. The D fell apart compared to 07.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
It's true that most quarterbacks struggle when being pressured for most of the game. I wonder if another quarterback would have been able to read the Chiefs' defense well enough to negate some of their pass rush though.
Actually that's what I'm most worried about with Love. I'm convinced he has all the athletic tools necessary to be a great QB at the pro level. I'm not sure he's capable of correctly reading a defense for the majority of plays though. If he can't he won't end up having a good career though.
I don't think another QB would have made a difference. The offense has to have the answers to beat the pressure and by LaFleur's own admission, they didn't that day. One of the things I have most appreciated about Andy Herman this training camp is reporting on Love's decision making through the ups and downs. Everyone else tweets out big pass plays and ugly pass plays, but there are 100 variables there. It seems Love has, more times than not, made the right reads and that is super encouraging to me. As you say, with the tools he has, I think the rest will come and he can put it all together.
to me what separates Aaron Rodgers 08 start, and Love this season is tutoring from the starting QB over the 3 year tutoring span, Favre as we all know wanted nothing to do with that, even made remarks that he wasn't here to coach up his replacement, and Rodgers actually taking Love under his wing, taught him how to study game film, break down defenses, Love imho is light years ahead of where Rodgers was in 08, so naturally I expect he'll be far more prepared at reading defenses and setting up his blocking and avoiding the rush.
people hate Rodgers, and now adore Bert as though he was some angel, when it should be the other way around, Rodgers did for Love what Bert never did for Rodgers.
Where did you her this about Rodgers tutoring Love? The only thing I have ever heard about their relationship is that Rodgers pretty much ignored Love and tutored Flynn, Tolzein and Boyle. It would be a little odd to tutor a man who expected to replace you. In IT it was common for big companies to ask American employees to tutor their Indian replacements and that did not generally turn out very well - human nature being, well, human nature. Flynn, Tolzein and Boyle were never a threat to AR's job.
I don't think another QB would have made a difference. The offense has to have the answers to beat the pressure and by LaFleur's own admission, they didn't that day. One of the things I have most appreciated about Andy Herman this training camp is reporting on Love's decision making through the ups and downs. Everyone else tweets out big pass plays and ugly pass plays, but there are 100 variables there. It seems Love has, more times than not, made the right reads and that is super encouraging to me. As you say, with the tools he has, I think the rest will come and he can put it all together.
to me what separates Aaron Rodgers 08 start, and Love this season is tutoring from the starting QB over the 3 year tutoring span, Favre as we all know wanted nothing to do with that, even made remarks that he wasn't here to coach up his replacement, and Rodgers actually taking Love under his wing, taught him how to study game film, break down defenses, Love imho is light years ahead of where Rodgers was in 08, so naturally I expect he'll be far more prepared at reading defenses and setting up his blocking and avoiding the rush.
people hate Rodgers, and now adore Bert as though he was some angel, when it should be the other way around, Rodgers did for Love what Bert never did for Rodgers.
Where did you her this about Rodgers tutoring Love? The only thing I have ever heard about their relationship is that Rodgers pretty much ignored Love and tutored Flynn, Tolzein and Boyle. It would be a little odd to tutor a man who expected to replace you. In IT it was common for big companies to ask American employees to tutor their Indian replacements and that did not generally turn out very well - human nature being, well, human nature. Flynn, Tolzein and Boyle were never a threat to AR's job.
where did I hear it? every where I look to confirm it.
Green Bay Packers star Aaron Rodgers is apparently doing his part to avoid the kind of fraught dynamic he experienced with Brett Favre when he entered the NFL.
Head coach Matt LaFleur told the MAQB's Albert Breer how Rodgers is working to aid Jordan Love as the first-round draft pick works through his first year in the league:
"I'll say this: The guy has been such an incredible mentor for not only Jordan, but for Tim Boyle as well. He has done such a great job of communicating with those guys. It is pretty special. It's like having another coach in the room. I sit in all of those quarterback meetings. He's just totally embraced that room. He's done such a great job of taking both of those guys under his wing and helping them both out.
"He's been spectacular."
thats Bleacher report, who don't allow copy and paste of there articles.
heres another, and there are plenty more that tell how Rodgers treated understudy QB's and How Fav're never did
Love himself said Rodgers would watch film with him and point out things to look at
so many articles speak to how much better Rodgers has been with under studies compared to Favre, why Skeptic would even ask for evidence is bewildering since that kind of info is so easy to find.
I don't think another QB would have made a difference. The offense has to have the answers to beat the pressure and by LaFleur's own admission, they didn't that day. One of the things I have most appreciated about Andy Herman this training camp is reporting on Love's decision making through the ups and downs. Everyone else tweets out big pass plays and ugly pass plays, but there are 100 variables there. It seems Love has, more times than not, made the right reads and that is super encouraging to me. As you say, with the tools he has, I think the rest will come and he can put it all together.
In my opinion a quarterback is responsible to get the pre-snap reads correct to adjust for the defensive alignment on each play. While the coaching staff can prepare him leading up to a game he has to do a decent job of recognizing formations and tendencies to proper set protection. There's no doubt Love did a terrible job with it at Kansas City.
I have no idea if he has improved in that area. I don't put a lot of stock into him reportedly being able to do that against the Packers defense in practice. I need to see that in the regular season before feeling confident about it.
to me what separates Aaron Rodgers 08 start, and Love this season is tutoring from the starting QB over the 3 year tutoring span, Favre as we all know wanted nothing to do with that, even made remarks that he wasn't here to coach up his replacement, and Rodgers actually taking Love under his wing, taught him how to study game film, break down defenses, Love imho is light years ahead of where Rodgers was in 08, so naturally I expect he'll be far more prepared at reading defenses and setting up his blocking and avoiding the rush.
Well, at the point Love started vs. the Chiefs he was already in the Packers' system for 1 1/2 years. At that point he definitely wasn't prepared to correctly read defenses. It remains to be seen if another 1 1/2 years with Rodgers ended up making a difference.
Yoop wrote: ↑09 Aug 2023 10:12
to me what separates Aaron Rodgers 08 start, and Love this season is tutoring from the starting QB over the 3 year tutoring span, Favre as we all know wanted nothing to do with that, even made remarks that he wasn't here to coach up his replacement, and Rodgers actually taking Love under his wing, taught him how to study game film, break down defenses, Love imho is light years ahead of where Rodgers was in 08, so naturally I expect he'll be far more prepared at reading defenses and setting up his blocking and avoiding the rush.
Well, at the point Love started vs. the Chiefs he was already in the Packers' system for 1 1/2 years. At that point he definitely wasn't prepared to correctly read defenses. It remains to be seen if another 1 1/2 years with Rodgers ended up making a difference.
well one of those 1.5 seasons was the cancelled covid off season, he looked more prepared when he played last year.
In my opinion a quarterback is responsible to get the pre-snap reads correct to adjust for the defensive alignment on each play. While the coaching staff can prepare him leading up to a game he has to do a decent job of recognizing formations and tendencies to proper set protection. There's no doubt Love did a terrible job with it at Kansas City.
The effect a QB has on the lines ability to pass block is not that significant. He can't reset it or change their formation. He can identify possible blitzes, but an NFL offensive line should recognize them on their own. The only thing a QB can do to adjust to defensive alignments is move a RB or TE. A QBs greatest weapon against blitzes is identifying where they are coming from and getting the ball out quickly to take advantage of the blitz.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
pace imo is the time span of snap till the QB gets rid of the ball, I remember Lafleur saying he wanted to speed that up in order to better protect Rodgers his first season.
I suppose PACE could also reference other stuff like burning clock to near zero prior to the snap, but I support that so I don't want to use that as a pace reference
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
pace imo is the time span of snap till the QB gets rid of the ball, I remember Lafleur saying he wanted to speed that up in order to better protect Rodgers his first season.
I suppose PACE could also reference other stuff like burning clock to near zero prior to the snap, but I support that so I don't want to use that as a pace reference
My guess is pace means avg time between plays on drives, as in avg time from the whistle to the ball getting snapped.
It'll be very interesting to see how Love sees the predictability of late snap vs benefit of seeing the coverage -equation.
Our pace score is bad because we always let the clock run down close to zero last season. Hopefully that is over.
It wont be because it was never just a Rodgers thing, and why do I think you know that, because we already talked about it for 4 or 5 pages on this forum
Pace is seconds between plays. The numbers cited don't jive with numbers at Footballoutsiders who give various times for total game, halves and trailing, leading, tied.
We are overall, almost 5 seconds per play slower than the top. When we are trailing by 7 or more, we are 30th over 7 seconds slower than the fastest team in the same situation.
Pace is seconds between plays. The numbers cited don't jive with numbers at Footballoutsiders who give various times for total game, halves and trailing, leading, tied.
We are overall, almost 5 seconds per play slower than the top. When we are trailing by 7 or more, we are 30th over 7 seconds slower than the fastest team in the same situation.
and till last year won most of our games as a result of doing that.
every coach from the Shanahan tree does this, analytics have proven the tactic successful.
evidence has been brought to show that DL are not more successful whether the clock winds to zero or still has 7 seconds remaining, whomever started that rumor they do is wrong.
think what you want but this is over blown malarky
and pace is about tempo, play tempo concerning the time of the snap till the ball is out of the QB's hand.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
go ask Lafleur what he considers pace to be, or about running the clock down, he will tell you what I just did, I know what CD was getting at, same as LaBrev or anyone else that thinks they know more then the coaches concerning clock management, this method has worked, should we adjust it? hell NO, I never endorse attempting to fix what isn't broken
