Week 9 Post-Game: Packers 20 Rams 3

[lupedafiasco]

I consider that ball underthrown because it was behind Watson, and needed to be further in front of him i.e. longer, whereas I would consider it an overthrow if it was too far in front for Watson to get his hands on it.

Unless he decided to make the throw the wrong way and meant to put it there. When I saw it live, it seem like the correct placement would have been to put the ball in the back corner of the endzone.

This is exactly what I think. The play was either supposed to be a corner route where Watson had plenty of time and space to catch and easy one with no one in his vicinity really giving him a chance to score with the ball in his hands or it was meant to fade up the field and he burns the secondary for a TD. Either way its a bad throw and an incredible catch.

[lupedafiasco]

Not bad.

[Papa John]

I consider that ball underthrown because it was behind Watson, and needed to be further in front of him i.e. longer, whereas I would consider it an overthrow if it was too far in front for Watson to get his hands on it.

Unless he decided to make the throw the wrong way and meant to put it there. When I saw it live, it seem like the correct placement would have been to put the ball in the back corner of the endzone.

This is exactly what I think. The play was either supposed to be a corner route where Watson had plenty of time and space to catch and easy one with no one in his vicinity really giving him a chance to score with the ball in his hands or it was meant to fade up the field and he burns the secondary for a TD. Either way its a bad throw and an incredible catch.

Yeah, my reasoning is that if the play did in fact call for him to hit Watson in stride towards the back of the endzone, then that is just such an egregious underthrow. It's not realistic that an NFL QB would mean to place the ball in the back of the endzone and be off by that much.

[lupedafiasco]

Unless he decided to make the throw the wrong way and meant to put it there. When I saw it live, it seem like the correct placement would have been to put the ball in the back corner of the endzone.

This is exactly what I think. The play was either supposed to be a corner route where Watson had plenty of time and space to catch and easy one with no one in his vicinity really giving him a chance to score with the ball in his hands or it was meant to fade up the field and he burns the secondary for a TD. Either way its a bad throw and an incredible catch.

Yeah, my reasoning is that if the play did in fact call for him to hit Watson in stride towards the back of the endzone, then that is just such an egregious underthrow. It's not realistic that an NFL QB would mean to place the ball in the back of the endzone and be off by that much.

My thoughts as well. If the play was truly to be to the sideline why so much air on the ball?

We heard a lot in summer practices that sometimes Love just throws some ducks. We saw a lot of that throughout this season too but a lot of them have benefitted from DPI.

[Pckfn23]

Unless he decided to make the throw the wrong way and meant to put it there. When I saw it live, it seem like the correct placement would have been to put the ball in the back corner of the endzone.

This is exactly what I think. The play was either supposed to be a corner route where Watson had plenty of time and space to catch and easy one with no one in his vicinity really giving him a chance to score with the ball in his hands or it was meant to fade up the field and he burns the secondary for a TD. Either way its a bad throw and an incredible catch.

Yeah, my reasoning is that if the play did in fact call for him to hit Watson in stride towards the back of the endzone, then that is just such an egregious underthrow. It's not realistic that an NFL QB would mean to place the ball in the back of the endzone and be off by that much.

Just FYI, I believe you 2 are talking about separate plays.
I believe this is what Lupe and Labrev are referencing:


I believe what Papa is referencing is this throw: https://youtu.be/-FWZabn1D7Q?si=6rDLwQAGY8trJDFa&t=144

[APB]

Clearly

[williewasgreat]

thats just a bunch of hog wash, placing the ball where only the receiver can catch it is exactly what placing and aiming is, and it's what he's been coached to do because that is what all QB's are taught to do.

where did you ever here such mallarky

Yoop, placing the ball is another way to say he is guiding the passes instead of just throwing them. That's what I think he is trying to say. This is also an issue with pitchers in baseball. You have to just let go and throw. Placing or guiding usually comes from lack of confidence and not trusting yourself.

sorry Willie the word guiding is just another term for aiming to me, I don't see Love doing anything differently from one throw to the next other then that side arm throw he's imo quite good at, I've rewatched most games and unless I've missed one of these poor tech pitches I haven't seen what your describing

we all know well that Loves confidence has been tested, he's had almost no help this year from anyone, is that affecting his ball placement, are his pass short because he's timid and unsure of where to throw the ball.

there are so many questions concerning everything about Love,

Yoop, this is merely a matter of semantics. What you believe guiding means is different from what I think of it meaning. Back when I coached HS football we referred to players trying to throw a football like a dart, as guiding the ball. Guiding ends up with inaccurate placement of the football. We would tell the players to THROW the ball, to use their normal motion and trust their ability. Players try to guide it, when they don't trust or believe in themselves. But it appears that you are hung up on different definitions.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Here you can see the footwork of Love. It's not good, he is set up to throw to the middle of the field and thus he throws behind Watson. Fixable.

I thought we at least had a good QB coach that can teach footwork. Duh!

[lupedafiasco]

Starts at 55:33.

On review it wasnt an overthrow. Its just an absolutely atrocious pass. I couldnt comprehend that ball needing to be at the corner and like I said earlier if he rips it at the corner of the field Watson probably has a shot in open space to score. The way Love wound up for the throw and hung it so far inside made me believe he was trying to lead Watson to the endzone. That could be the case but what we do know is that was one dog &%$@ throw after getting more breakdown. Either he was trying to lead him up field and significantly underthrew it or he was for some reason putting a lob up on a wide open receiver running a corner route and hung it high and inside.

[Yoop]

Yoop, placing the ball is another way to say he is guiding the passes instead of just throwing them. That's what I think he is trying to say. This is also an issue with pitchers in baseball. You have to just let go and throw. Placing or guiding usually comes from lack of confidence and not trusting yourself.

sorry Willie the word guiding is just another term for aiming to me, I don't see Love doing anything differently from one throw to the next other then that side arm throw he's imo quite good at, I've rewatched most games and unless I've missed one of these poor tech pitches I haven't seen what your describing

we all know well that Loves confidence has been tested, he's had almost no help this year from anyone, is that affecting his ball placement, are his pass short because he's timid and unsure of where to throw the ball.

there are so many questions concerning everything about Love,

Yoop, this is merely a matter of semantics. What you believe guiding means is different from what I think of it meaning. Back when I coached HS football we referred to players trying to throw a football like a dart, as guiding the ball. Guiding ends up with inaccurate placement of the football. We would tell the players to THROW the ball, to use their normal motion and trust their ability. Players try to guide it, when they don't trust or believe in themselves. But it appears that you are hung up on different definitions.

again thanks for explaining this Willie, I understand what your saying, but again, I must be missing these dart type throws that your referring to, I know what a dart type release looks like with lack of follow through, just fail to remember seeing it with Love.

again I think Loves confidence has been shaken, I just don't think it's with himself as much as it is with his supporting cast, I also expect that if he has hesitated with his release, it has more to do with his indecision of where the receiver is going to be which is almost assuredly not where the pitch point is suppose to be, now we've heard plenty of comments about that.

either way, this last game saw a much sharper Love, a consequence of better blocking, running, and route running, which culminated with improved performance by all, funny how several basic improvements can turn the tables

[Pckfn23]

The one Watson had to bail him out on down the field was another poorly underthrown ball.

On review it wasnt an overthrow.

[Pckfn23]

[Yoop]

yep Love had to sell that handoff better, it may have froze that safety and Watson may have been open sooner.

[Pckfn23]

I'm surprised there is no mention of the "free rusher."

[Yoop]

I'm surprised there is no mention of the "free rusher."

Runyan to the rescue, again, course Donald does that to all pro guards too.

[APB]

Starts at 55:33.

On review it wasnt an overthrow. Its just an absolutely atrocious pass.

At least now I understand where you get your tendency to grossly overstate things from...

[lupedafiasco]

Starts at 55:33.

On review it wasnt an overthrow. Its just an absolutely atrocious pass.

At least now I understand where you get your tendency to grossly overstate things from...

Did you think it was a good pass?

[Labrev]

I'm surprised there is no mention of the "free rusher."

Runyan to the rescue, again, course Donald does that to all pro guards too.

Mike Wahle's take on the blocking on that play (autoplays at 40:05)


note: Wahle says "John Runyan Jr., get yourself over(...)" but definitely meant to say "Josh Myers" (so basically, he blames Myers).

[wallyuwl]

Supposedly Wentz is now going to QB the Rams while Stafford is out. Heard on the radio. So call me skeptical that the defense has it all figured out now after handling Rypien who just got replaced by bust who has been out of football.

[APB]

Starts at 55:33.

On review it wasnt an overthrow. Its just an absolutely atrocious pass.

At least now I understand where you get your tendency to grossly overstate things from...

Did you think it was a good pass?

No, and I never said it was. You're now moving the goal post from your insistence on it being an underthrown pass. Back it up, Ter...




I'll say this, though; it wasn't an "absolutely atrocious pass" either. It certainly could've been placed better but it was well within Watson's catch radius and he did, indeed, catch the ball. Was it made harder than it had to be? Yep. Doesn't make it an "absolutely atrocious pass" which is what prompted my earlier response.