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The problem the Bears have, if they want to do it the Packer way, is they needed to draft their QB 3 years ago. Let him sit. Let the fans hate the GM and then come full circle to realize that the actual plan works.
But instead the Bears will just keep doing what they do at QB like what the Packers do at DC. Get a new one and hope it works out better this time.
It is SO. DANGED. WILD. to me that "the plan that gave the NFL Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, and now Love" isn't the gold standard for what to do at QB. Other QBs who sat most of their rookie years but ended up coming in later in the year (not the best, but still a plan) include Lamar and Josh Allen.
You draft a guy with talent and you sit him for the whole year. If you have a guy who is smart and savvy and knows the game playing QB in that time, you're good to go and you can take your time over multiple years. If you DON'T have that guy, you can go get one... doesn't have to be a hall of famer.
Yes, some QBs excel immediately. But with the low overall QB play around the league and the insanely high "bust" rate at the position, people keep saying "oh we can't evaluate these guys, we keep missing" instead of "oh, we're not developing these guys; we're throwing them to the wolves and letting them develop bad habits and lose confidence"
It's so easy. It's so obvious. It's so verifiable with metrics and case studies. When you're transitioning to a new QB, you need to have a full on organizational plan, a flexible but long-run timeline, and the patience and perseverance to stick with it. Unless you are drafting top 1 or 2 and get one of those just natural, obvious "oh, wow, ok he can be the guy from day one" which is what CJ Stroud did this year and we've seen on occasion before, this is the way.
Part of why Stroud is an exception is he walked onto an actual team instead of the usual basket case collection of misfits. Duh bares could try this with Fields and whoever they pick. He can still go out there and be the middling QB while giving the new guy a chance to learn. He'd cost them less than 5 million to keep. And if he does play well they can try to franchise him to move him for a pick.
what makes Love so obviously good is that unlike Stroud, he started with a make shift OL, lack of experience at WR, lack of a dominate RB, and a defense that couldn't protect a lead, his plus was 3 seasons sitting behind a QB that also was able to over come those odds often as well.
It is SO. DANGED. WILD. to me that "the plan that gave the NFL Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, and now Love" isn't the gold standard for what to do at QB. Other QBs who sat most of their rookie years but ended up coming in later in the year (not the best, but still a plan) include Lamar and Josh Allen.
You draft a guy with talent and you sit him for the whole year. If you have a guy who is smart and savvy and knows the game playing QB in that time, you're good to go and you can take your time over multiple years. If you DON'T have that guy, you can go get one... doesn't have to be a hall of famer.
Yes, some QBs excel immediately. But with the low overall QB play around the league and the insanely high "bust" rate at the position, people keep saying "oh we can't evaluate these guys, we keep missing" instead of "oh, we're not developing these guys; we're throwing them to the wolves and letting them develop bad habits and lose confidence"
It's so easy. It's so obvious. It's so verifiable with metrics and case studies. When you're transitioning to a new QB, you need to have a full on organizational plan, a flexible but long-run timeline, and the patience and perseverance to stick with it. Unless you are drafting top 1 or 2 and get one of those just natural, obvious "oh, wow, ok he can be the guy from day one" which is what CJ Stroud did this year and we've seen on occasion before, this is the way.
Part of why Stroud is an exception is he walked onto an actual team instead of the usual basket case collection of misfits. Duh bares could try this with Fields and whoever they pick. He can still go out there and be the middling QB while giving the new guy a chance to learn. He'd cost them less than 5 million to keep. And if he does play well they can try to franchise him to move him for a pick.
what makes Love so obviously good is that unlike Stroud, he started with a make shift OL, lack of experience at WR, lack of a dominate RB, and a defense that couldn't protect a lead, his plus was 3 seasons sitting behind a QB that also was able to over come those odds often as well.
didnt realize the texans roster was so amazing last season
Watch LT Rasheed Walker on this play. Now THAT’S what I wanna see from an O-lineman!!
It has really quickly moved to a place where I am not even sure we can welcome back Bakhtiari next year. Walker is heading into Year 3, which means it's time to determine if he is the next franchise LT.
Watch LT Rasheed Walker on this play. Now THAT’S what I wanna see from an O-lineman!!
It has really quickly moved to a place where I am not even sure we can welcome back Bakhtiari next year. Walker is heading into Year 3, which means it's time to determine if he is the next franchise LT.
Watch LT Rasheed Walker on this play. Now THAT’S what I wanna see from an O-lineman!!
It has really quickly moved to a place where I am not even sure we can welcome back Bakhtiari next year. Walker is heading into Year 3, which means it's time to determine if he is the next franchise LT.
Yoho made a interesting observation, Toms may be the best choice for the blind side, while Walker fits as a better RT, either way, I agree, Walkers play these last 5 weeks has been a lot better then earlier.
I was going to post the same response, but I listened and then I couldn't. It truly is awful music, but beautiful with the volume off!!
Yeah let's be honest, it really does sound like &%$@. I just played the video without realizing that the volume on my computer was turned way up and it damn near blew my eyebrows off.
"It's better to decide wrongly than weakly; if you're weak, you're likely to be wrong anyway."
- Bill Parcells
Really good job of Kraft also to bend it back inside toward the soft part of the defense. Sure doesnt look like two first year starters out there converting first downs!
It's been a while since we've had talent like this in the TE room. Playing TE like our offense needs. They CAN be huge play makers, or they can be chain movers who sometimes make huge plays. Sometimes both. We've been missing the chain movers who can also be big play down the field. Give me the chain movers who help the run game and give us 3 more plays when we need them to go down field every Sunday please. Kraft played that perfectly and love avoided pressure and delivered it perfectly. I love watching these kids put it together.
@YoHoChecko I believe you were looking for this play during the GDT chatter.
BETWEEN this one and Melton’s “non touchdown” I think da Bears fared well with the refs.
It would seem that the goal of officiating in the NFL is to keep the scores/games close, fans like close scoring games, well thats how it appears anyway.
When I pause and scroll thru frame by frame, it looks like the ball first hits his left forearm and bumps up. I admit, that part of the video for me, the ball turns into a barely visible brown blur at points. But if I project the trajectory before it goes past QW, I think the first thing it hits is the Bear's receivers forearm, not the ground.
I wish I had better computer skills I could kind of outline what blur I think the ball is LOL. I can see it perfectly before the important part, and perfectly after the important part, but it basically disappears for that part when I watch that video. I'm not sure it helps me LOL
ETA, oh man, scroll forward and the whole ball is on the ground LOL. Good thing I'm not a ref.
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Watch LT Rasheed Walker on this play. Now THAT’S what I wanna see from an O-lineman!!
It has really quickly moved to a place where I am not even sure we can welcome back Bakhtiari next year. Walker is heading into Year 3, which means it's time to determine if he is the next franchise LT.
Yoho made a interesting observation, Toms may be the best choice for the blind side, while Walker fits as a better RT, either way, I agree, Walkers play these last 5 weeks has been a lot better then earlier.
With so little real practice the only way to get better is the actual reps in a games. You've got to get beat, learn from your mistakes, and learn from your successes, but that takes time. There are so many guys who could out play vets but never get the shot because Coaches can't afford, in their minds, to take that risk. They'd play a vet who can barely walk just because he can stand in the right spot every time. They think that, that will give them cover. But every coach is just there to canned at some point anyway. Why not take the shot on somebody who has potential and hold onto the coaching spot for a little longer. We've been forced to play kids and it has been a huge success.
BETWEEN this one and Melton’s “non touchdown” I think da Bears fared well with the refs.
It would seem that the goal of officiating in the NFL is to keep the scores/games close, fans like close scoring games, well thats how it appears anyway.
When I pause and scroll thru frame by frame, it looks like the ball first hits his left forearm and bumps up. I admit, that part of the video for me, the ball turns into a barely visible brown blur at points. But if I project the trajectory before it goes past QW, I think the first thing it hits is the Bear's receivers forearm, not the ground.
I wish I had better computer skills I could kind of outline what blur I think the ball is LOL. I can see it perfectly before the important part, and perfectly after the important part, but it basically disappears for that part when I watch that video. I'm not sure it helps me LOL
what convinces me is that he did not have possession when the ball touches the ground, then just after he gains possession, the first part imho makes it a non catch, Personally I think we where ripped off on both of these contested catches, Melton had control, and didn't lose it till after rolling out of bounds, but again very close calls, whatever it seems like we again had to beat the 12 man on the field to win, seems (and I admit to possible bias ) most calls that can change th e outcome of a game go against us, urrrrr
I get the house money thing and how that is supposed to make us feel better if we lose. I can legitimately say, though, my hate for Dallas has really waned over the past couple of years (mostly because the Eagles are insufferable and we can never seem to beat the Giants). I will be truly happy for Mike McCarthy if Dallas moves on. Just an absolutely high class man. Given the field of teams from the NFC, if not GB, I will have to get behind Dallas.
Jordan Love = Mental Toughness. That fumble in the early 4th quarter could have crushed him, but he was cool as a cat on the next drive. Never felt the pressure. Stats aside, that is going to be what sets him apart from other young QB's. He has a short memory, something you have to have in sports.
The team as a whole is more resilient. When I saw the FG miss by Carlson, it felt a lot like many games we have just seen spiral, but I also felt a little more confidence in this team not to let it drag them down like they used to.
I think this team just realizes they have to do it without Carlson.
It would seem that the goal of officiating in the NFL is to keep the scores/games close, fans like close scoring games, well thats how it appears anyway.
When I pause and scroll thru frame by frame, it looks like the ball first hits his left forearm and bumps up. I admit, that part of the video for me, the ball turns into a barely visible brown blur at points. But if I project the trajectory before it goes past QW, I think the first thing it hits is the Bear's receivers forearm, not the ground.
I wish I had better computer skills I could kind of outline what blur I think the ball is LOL. I can see it perfectly before the important part, and perfectly after the important part, but it basically disappears for that part when I watch that video. I'm not sure it helps me LOL
what convinces me is that he did not have possession when the ball touches the ground, then just after he gains possession, the first part imho makes it a non catch, Personally I think we where ripped off on both of these contested catches, Melton had control, and didn't lose it till after rolling out of bounds, but again very close calls, whatever it seems like we again had to beat the 12 man on the field to win, seems (and I admit to possible bias ) most calls that can change th e outcome of a game go against us, urrrrr
I wasn't watching the play thru to the end, I agree, he doesn't gain control until after that point I was focused on and after pretty much the entire ball is between the ground and his body. His hand scoops more under, after that
It has really quickly moved to a place where I am not even sure we can welcome back Bakhtiari next year. Walker is heading into Year 3, which means it's time to determine if he is the next franchise LT.
Yoho made a interesting observation, Toms may be the best choice for the blind side, while Walker fits as a better RT, either way, I agree, Walkers play these last 5 weeks has been a lot better then earlier.
With so little real practice the only way to get better is the actual reps in a games. You've got to get beat, learn from your mistakes, and learn from your successes, but that takes time. There are so many guys who could out play vets but never get the shot because Coaches can't afford, in their minds, to take that risk. They'd play a vet who can barely walk just because he can stand in the right spot every time. They think that, that will give them cover. But every coach is just there to canned at some point anyway. Why not take the shot on somebody who has potential and hold onto the coaching spot for a little longer. We've been forced to play kids and it has been a huge success.
I understand that, my thinking is that the coaches had all last year and the off season to determine where to play Tom and Walker, I think they blew it, personally I think Tom is the athletic type with better feet and mobility to handle securing the blind side, and Walker is the mauling type we usually see at RT
I'am not that impressed with Butkus, actually I attribute the pass pro improvement to Stenavich and MLF providing him more assistance, but thats just a guess.
) most calls that can change th e outcome of a game go against us, urrrrr 
