Joe Barry is out

[NCF]

[Yoop]

[BF004]

[Pckfn23]

Deserved.

[Labrev]

I didn't feel strongly that we needed to can him, but I gotta say, seeing this headline brought a smile to my face.

Despite half the league having a head start over us, there haven't been many coaches hired yet, just Mayo in NE which was a lock from the start, and Callahan in TEN, an O guy. There should be plenty of quality D-Coord candidates, and GB should be an attractive destination.

Thing is, we need to make a run 2024-26, so I'd like a guy who doesn't need to learn on the job too much.

[Yoop]

Joe Barry's track record as DC (DVOA):
2007 Lions - 30th
2008 Lions - 31st
2015 Washington - 21st
2016 Washington - 25th
2021 Packers - 22nd
2022 Packers - 20th
2023 Packers - 27th

the best of Joe was last year with us, he declined after year 1 every where he's been a cord, we can and have to do better then what he provided.

[Yoop]

I didn't feel strongly that we needed to can him, but I gotta say, seeing this headline brought a smile to my face.

Despite half the league having a head start over us, there haven't been many coaches hired yet, just Mayo in NE which was a lock from the start, and Callahan in TEN, an O guy. There should be plenty of quality D-Coord candidates, and GB should be an attractive destination.

Thing is, we need to make a run 2024-26, so I'd like a guy who doesn't need to learn on the job too much.

spot on we need teachers not learners, players learn, coaches teach

[Labrev]

Jaire took down that Insta post very close to the time of this development. He must have heard the good news.

[NCF]

Jaire took down that Insta post very close to the time of this development. He must have heard the good news.

Yeah, unfortunately evidence is starting to pile up against him. There is a fine line between a good healthy swagger and being a diva. It seems to be going the wrong way. I hope I'm wrong on that one.

[Waldo]

Awesome, did not expect that after the D played well toward the end of the season.

[NCF]

Awesome, did not expect that after the D played well toward the end of the season.

They played well to end last season. All the talk was it was our time to have a Top-10 defense. 27th (according to yoop's data above)? That just is not good enough and too little, too late.

I will also add that in both playoff losses to SF, you can make the argument that the defense was the best unit between O, D, and ST, but what happened in each game when SF had the ball last? They got whatever they wanted to win the game.

[Acrobat]

Jaire took down that Insta post very close to the time of this development. He must have heard the good news.

What IG post? I didn't see it.

[go pak go]

A lot of hand ringing by Packers fans the last 24 hours over nothing.

Let time do it's thing.

[BF004]

Awesome, did not expect that after the D played well toward the end of the season.

Now we know that this group can do it. Talent is adequate and young, and expected to get better and a lot of draft capital and even ample cap space to get a starter.

Just need a guy who will not give us those lows we’ve seen far too often, more consistency.

[go pak go]

This was the right move. From a risk standpoint, there isn't a huge drop off potential. We were around a 20th ranked defense and I would say we are that with any other bad DC.

On the high side, we could be much more. Timing is also right. Get your system in now to build for the new window.

Personally, we are seeing the exotic defenses doing better than the vanilla defenses. So I am hoping we trend in that direction. On a player side though, we will need improvement at the safety spot to allow the front 7 to eat more.

I would like to see a system that is more aggressive in the middle and for QBs to test our boundary corners.

[LombardiTime]

Bad hire, good fire.

I sincerely hope that MLF and Gutey are on the same page concerning the defense going forward.

There is legitimate existing talent on defense, Gutey has 5 picks among the top 91 to work his magic, and there is $ to add at least one veteran.

Time to finally get it right on D.

Exciting times.

[BF004]

Always wonder on a move like this, if it really truly was simply in a vacuum. Just decided he isn't the right guy, then now starting from scratch looking for a guy.

Or if he was looking at the lot of guys available, maybe even has had some private initial conversations with potential targets to gauge mutual interest, if that played into it.

Guess is doesn't matter, just would always love to be a fly on the wall for this kind of stuff.

[BF004]

[Acrobat]

Always wonder on a move like this, if it really truly was simply in a vacuum. Just decided he isn't the right guy, then now starting from scratch looking for a guy.

Or if he was looking at the lot of guys available, maybe even has had some private initial conversations with potential targets to gauge mutual interest, if that played into it.

Guess is doesn't matter, just would always love to be a fly on the wall for this kind of stuff.

Agreed. I'm hoping he already has a candidate or very short list of candidates in mind, much like the Bucks just pulled off with Doc Rivers yesterday.

[Drj820]

Wow, like i said yesterday...I AM surprised

But im not sad about it.

Probably a great move