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One things seems to be true for sure. Were going to find out just how good, on the fly, of an offensive coach Matt Lafleur and staff really is/are.
Don't we honestly know that by now? I think we can anoint Matt as a great coach whether he is successful here or not.
What kool aid you be drinkin GPG? Without an NFC belt he ain't nuttin' yet but a prissy wannabee.
wow, the niners have lost the NFC championship 9 times, we've lost it 6 times.
I know your only concerned with Lafleur, and I get that you don't think he's a very good HC , probably better OC, but imo he isn't the reason we didn't win a NFC title, our defense can't secure a lead, below average #2, 3, and 4 receivers, below average TE's, and very average run blocking, those are huge obstacles to over come, specially when against the best teams in the conference, Rodgers/Lafleur can't over come every short coming.
Don't we honestly know that by now? I think we can anoint Matt as a great coach whether he is successful here or not.
The thing we know about Matt Lafleur is he is NOT a “great coach” yet in his career.
Sure, he has a great record. He’s had marginal playoff success. But he has lost multiple games he should have won in the playoffs, and the team just comes out completely not ready to play at least twice a year. “Great” coaches don’t just come out and lay eggs and LOOK so poorly coached so often.
Many will misconstrue my words and say I hate Lafleur. I don’t. I think he’s a good coach! But great coaches don’t lay so many eggs.
So when you said last year that Matt needs to prove it by developing and winning with a QB not named Rodgers you didn't really mean it and just moved the goal post then.
Or are we getting down to wordage of "great" vs "good" vs "excellent", etc.
???
This is definitely an issue of “words”
I see a difference in “good” and “great”
Good wins games. Good stats employed. You are in a fine spot as an org if you have a good coach!
But…
Great wins conference titles. Great has command of all three phases as all three phases appear competent whether ST, D, or O. Great wins games it’s supposed to. Great uses timeouts wisely and not all of them in the 1st quarter.
Don't we honestly know that by now? I think we can anoint Matt as a great coach whether he is successful here or not.
What kool aid you be drinkin GPG? Without an NFC belt he ain't nuttin' yet but a prissy wannabee.
wow, the niners have lost the NFC championship 9 times, we've lost it 6 times.
I know your only concerned with Lafleur, and I get that you don't think he's a very good HC , probably better OC, but imo he isn't the reason we didn't win a NFC title, our defense can't secure a lead, below average #2, 3, and 4 receivers, below average TE's, and very average run blocking, those are huge obstacles to over come, specially when against the best teams in the conference, Rodgers/Lafleur can't over come every short coming.
Kicking the FG in Tampa as he took the ball out of Rodgers hands and put it in Brady’s hands…that was kind of egregious from Lafleur
What kool aid you be drinkin GPG? Without an NFC belt he ain't nuttin' yet but a prissy wannabee.
wow, the niners have lost the NFC championship 9 times, we've lost it 6 times.
I know your only concerned with Lafleur, and I get that you don't think he's a very good HC , probably better OC, but imo he isn't the reason we didn't win a NFC title, our defense can't secure a lead, below average #2, 3, and 4 receivers, below average TE's, and very average run blocking, those are huge obstacles to over come, specially when against the best teams in the conference, Rodgers/Lafleur can't over come every short coming.
Kicking the FG in Tampa as he took the ball out of Rodgers hands and put it in Brady’s hands…that was kind of egregious from Lafleur
you can second guess coaching till hell freezes over, all make decisions that when they work there hero's, when they fail they get the blame, if he didn't kick the FG and Rodgers failed, then he would have been blamed for that decision too.
I blame him for sticking and being overly loyal with assistants, I even understand that in the sense that change never guarantee's success, and he doesn't control the purse strings, so making coaching changes is also dependent on Guty and Murphy going along with it.
again, I think he needs to play the starters more in PS games, versus using the first couple games of the season for them to build chemistry, jmo.
Kicking a FG against Tampa is one of the top tier most retarded decisions in coaching history. Probably still lose honestly because it’s Brady and it would have been something like 4th and 8. Still you take your shot to tie over trying to force a 3 and out.
I know a lot of people have tried to prop this up like “he gave them a chance to win.” &%$@. That was was $%@# stupid.
I think he misses 2 weeks. We had a Friday game so there’s slightly more recovery time. It’s a position not expected to have to rely on their athleticism. If it’s between a grade 1 and grade 2 you split the difference.
I still think you really bring him back and play a very mobility conservative game plan. Pistol formations should be out best friend. It shortens the distance in which he will need to move on handoffs, drop backs, and play actions.
A 70% effective Love is better than a 100% Willis.
I think he misses 2 weeks. We had a Friday game so there’s slightly more recovery time. It’s a position not expected to have to rely on their athleticism. If it’s between a grade 1 and grade 2 you split the difference.
I still think you really bring him back and play a very mobility conservative game plan. Pistol formations should be out best friend. It shortens the distance in which he will need to move on handoffs, drop backs, and play actions.
A 70% effective Love is better than a 100% Willis.
My guess too is Willis starts vs Indy and Tennessee and Love comes back with a giant brace vs MN.
I absolutely think we can win without Love if we are the team we think we are.
I think he misses 2 weeks. We had a Friday game so there’s slightly more recovery time. It’s a position not expected to have to rely on their athleticism. If it’s between a grade 1 and grade 2 you split the difference.
I still think you really bring him back and play a very mobility conservative game plan. Pistol formations should be out best friend. It shortens the distance in which he will need to move on handoffs, drop backs, and play actions.
A 70% effective Love is better than a 100% Willis.
My guess too is Willis starts vs Indy and Tennessee and Love comes back with a giant brace vs MN.
I absolutely think we can win without Love if we are the team we think we are.
For sure.
"Scouting" Indy today and nothing special. Good dl. Rich has arm talent but still raw. Pittman is solid not elite.
Slow Taylor down and spread the d out and GB can absolutely win
I think he misses 2 weeks. We had a Friday game so there’s slightly more recovery time. It’s a position not expected to have to rely on their athleticism. If it’s between a grade 1 and grade 2 you split the difference.
I still think you really bring him back and play a very mobility conservative game plan. Pistol formations should be out best friend. It shortens the distance in which he will need to move on handoffs, drop backs, and play actions.
A 70% effective Love is better than a 100% Willis.
My guess too is Willis starts vs Indy and Tennessee and Love comes back with a giant brace vs MN.
I absolutely think we can win without Love if we are the team we think we are.
For sure.
"Scouting" Indy today and nothing special. Good dl. Rich has arm talent but still raw. Pittman is solid not elite.
Slow Taylor down and spread the d out and GB can absolutely win
Our Oline needs to play better. We need Jacobs and Wilson to cook. We can score 20+ if we put up over 150 yards on the ground.
A good ground game will eventually open a big play to either Watson or Reed.
One things seems to be true for sure. Were going to find out just how good, on the fly, of an offensive coach Matt Lafleur and staff really is/are.
Don't we honestly know that by now? I think we can anoint Matt as a great coach whether he is successful here or not.
The thing we know about Matt Lafleur is he is NOT a “great coach” yet in his career.
Sure, he has a great record. He’s had marginal playoff success. But he has lost multiple games he should have won in the playoffs, and the team just comes out completely not ready to play at least twice a year. “Great” coaches don’t just come out and lay eggs and LOOK so poorly coached so often.
Many will misconstrue my words and say I hate Lafleur. I don’t. I think he’s a good coach! But great coaches don’t lay so many eggs.
Your words are true. No hate whatsoever. He's just a prissy wannabe right now. That could change if he ever put more effort in his profession.
I keep thinking about this from Guty's / MLF's level. If Tannehill (or someone else who is actually a serviceable QB) is available, I think he gets brought in. 100%. The only question is who gets bumped off the roster.
I'm sure that the Pack was willing to roll with Willis with the assumption that if something happened to Love that it would be midway thru the season. Not in week 1. Good grief. So, who is worth bringing in for a month? Maybe nobody. But we will see. I would really love for us to win 1 or 2 games this next month.
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I'm watching the Lions Rams game right now and wondering: 1) Will Lafleur ever be as good as Campbell? Will Love ever be as good as Goff and/or Stafford?
Don't we honestly know that by now? I think we can anoint Matt as a great coach whether he is successful here or not.
The thing we know about Matt Lafleur is he is NOT a “great coach” yet in his career.
Sure, he has a great record. He’s had marginal playoff success. But he has lost multiple games he should have won in the playoffs, and the team just comes out completely not ready to play at least twice a year. “Great” coaches don’t just come out and lay eggs and LOOK so poorly coached so often.
Many will misconstrue my words and say I hate Lafleur. I don’t. I think he’s a good coach! But great coaches don’t lay so many eggs.
Your words are true. No hate whatsoever. He's just a prissy wannabe right now. That could change if he ever put more effort in his profession.
I shouldn't even comment bc it will just stir the pot but wtf
You ever hear of Andy Reid Man they should have closed the doors on him cuz he couldn't get over the hump in philly. what eggs is Matt lafleur Laying that other coaches don't please please give examples cuz this is absolutely silliness.
This is literally week one and these are the conversations coming up?? And to think the Rams and Lions game is something that we should be looking at is absolutely insane. Green Bay is making the playoffs in winning over 10 games if you guys want to fight about that let's do it
I'm watching the Lions Rams game right now and wondering: 1) Will Lafleur ever be as good as Campbell? Will Love ever be as good as Goff and/or Stafford?
will Hafley ever be as good as Spagnolla? will Lafleur ever be as good as Campbell? will Love ever be as good as . . . .
thing is all 3 required certain variables for their success, Love as yet doesn't have Megatron, Campbell hasn't yet the success of Lafleur, and Spags is a successful veteran NFL DC with a established scheme, while Haf is just starting.
I'am excited to see a healthy Love with this stable of receivers in the Lafleur offense, as well as Hafley's defense once players gain some chemistry in it, Rome wasn't built in a day
I think he misses 2 weeks. We had a Friday game so there’s slightly more recovery time. It’s a position not expected to have to rely on their athleticism. If it’s between a grade 1 and grade 2 you split the difference.
I still think you really bring him back and play a very mobility conservative game plan. Pistol formations should be out best friend. It shortens the distance in which he will need to move on handoffs, drop backs, and play actions.
A 70% effective Love is better than a 100% Willis.
My guess too is Willis starts vs Indy and Tennessee and Love comes back with a giant brace vs MN.
I absolutely think we can win without Love if we are the team we think we are.
For sure.
"Scouting" Indy today and nothing special. Good dl. Rich has arm talent but still raw. Pittman is solid not elite.
Slow Taylor down and spread the d out and GB can absolutely win
What? You actually WANT our D to slow down a RB? We have a long tradition now of doing otherwise. Why change that now?
<Wisconsin sarcasm, ya know.>
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LaFleur sucks at media gamesmanship, but the fact that they can even toy with this is encouraging.
not sure how to feel about this, always thought a sprain is actually a very mild tear of the connecting tissue, if so, doubt that it heels in a week.
I might feel a little better if Walker and the rest of this OL could protect him better, when your TE gets better blocking grades then 2/3rds of your Oliners, well, thats not very reassuring for a QB
, probably better OC, but imo he isn't the reason we didn't win a NFC title, our defense can't secure a lead, below average #2, 3, and 4 receivers, below average TE's, and very average run blocking, those are huge obstacles to over come, specially when against the best teams in the conference, Rodgers/Lafleur can't over come every short coming. 
