Yeah if healthy I cant see how Watson isnt a double digit TD guy. Gotta think hes the main deep threat for the offense that will get behind. Hes also going to be a fade target in the redzone. Then theres just those plays where he will turn something upfield and beat the defense. Along with all that I think will come the yards but I doubt hes the main chain mover. I dont think hes the type to win early in a route and get the 3rd and short conversions.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024 10:04If Watson stays mostly healthy I think he's a 12+td 1000+ yard receiver. And if that is true and he isn't our number one then that's just fantastic!
Who will be our #1 WR
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I'd agree with that as welllupedafiasco wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024 10:21Yeah if healthy I cant see how Watson isnt a double digit TD guy. Gotta think hes the main deep threat for the offense that will get behind. Hes also going to be a fade target in the redzone. Then theres just those plays where he will turn something upfield and beat the defense. Along with all that I think will come the yards but I doubt hes the main chain mover. I dont think hes the type to win early in a route and get the 3rd and short conversions.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024 10:04If Watson stays mostly healthy I think he's a 12+td 1000+ yard receiver. And if that is true and he isn't our number one then that's just fantastic!
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I saw someone make the comparison to 2011 Jordy where he was the big play guy in a loaded room and didn’t code as WR1 (Jennings) but still led the team in multiple categoriesMadcity_matt wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024 10:04If Watson stays mostly healthy I think he's a 12+td 1000+ yard receiver. And if that is true and he isn't our number one then that's just fantastic!
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Total yardage should not determine who the #1 WR is. There's so much more that goes into such a determination.
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Still no conclusive answer. Interesting problem to have. Doubs probably has the best hands. Wicks gets open. Etc Etc.
Watson deep threat that draws coverage. Reed is the Swiss army knife (Cobb but better).RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 19:56Still no conclusive answer. Interesting problem to have. Doubs probably has the best hands. Wicks gets open. Etc Etc.
A "problem"...?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 19:56Still no conclusive answer. Interesting problem to have. Doubs probably has the best hands. Wicks gets open. Etc Etc.
Can you define this "problem" for us?
he did, he said it's interesting, I agree with that assumption, I'd think we all would, it also opens a door for discussion.APB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 22:30A "problem"...?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 19:56Still no conclusive answer. Interesting problem to have. Doubs probably has the best hands. Wicks gets open. Etc Etc.
Can you define this "problem" for us?
Doubs usually seems like a last resort receiver, or the first read on 3rd down
Watson for all his speed rarely seems wide open, good with contested catches, love that fight for the ball ability he shows.
Reed is our gadget player, and does just about everything very well
Wicks seems like a possession receiver, great route runner, strong.
all seem to block well, all are young and havn't reached there ceiling yet, a problem in remission
Musgrave may have more athletic ability then Kraft, but he looks slow this season, and looks like he's thinking to much.
I'd add more but need more coffee
Considering we have only had our QB1 for one game, it's really hard to tell who will emerge, if they all don't. I think Reed is the most likely to blow up, followed by Watson. Need to get Wicks involved, but I think he'll get his looks when we have Love back.
I don't see any "problem" with the WR corps whatsoever. They all bring certain talents and qualities that can be taken advantage of on any given play. They all have overlapping foundational talents, too, like blocking and low drop rates.
Having no clear cut, go to receiver is not a "problem" in my mind at all. It's scheme proof from an opponent perspective. Take away short area quickness Reed? Fine, we'll go to Wicks. Take away Doubs on 3rd down? Fine, we'll go Reed or Watson. Press at the line to disrupt the quick passing game? Fine, we'll hit Melton or Watson streaking up the sideline or down the seam. The matchup headaches these guys collectively present are endless.
This WR corps just offers so many options. The fact no one player is relied upon to carry the offense is an advantage, not a problem.
Now, @Yoop, if you wanna talk about individual attributes each brings to the table, that's something else entirely.
Having no clear cut, go to receiver is not a "problem" in my mind at all. It's scheme proof from an opponent perspective. Take away short area quickness Reed? Fine, we'll go to Wicks. Take away Doubs on 3rd down? Fine, we'll go Reed or Watson. Press at the line to disrupt the quick passing game? Fine, we'll hit Melton or Watson streaking up the sideline or down the seam. The matchup headaches these guys collectively present are endless.
This WR corps just offers so many options. The fact no one player is relied upon to carry the offense is an advantage, not a problem.
Now, @Yoop, if you wanna talk about individual attributes each brings to the table, that's something else entirely.
I think Watson has been unfairly pigeonholed due to an unfortunate training regime that created an unbalanced muscular condition along with a former training staff that was basically clueless and had no business running a professional athlete level program.
Those things have all been rectified and Watson has been healthy since. I, personally, am no longer terribly concerned with Watson as a health risk or as injury prone.
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Yoop wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 06:38he did, he said it's interesting, I agree with that assumption, I'd think we all would, it also opens a door for discussion.APB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 22:30A "problem"...?RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024 19:56Still no conclusive answer. Interesting problem to have. Doubs probably has the best hands. Wicks gets open. Etc Etc.
Can you define this "problem" for us?
Doubs usually seems like a last resort receiver, or the first read on 3rd down
Watson for all his speed rarely seems wide open, good with contested catches, love that fight for the ball ability he shows.
Reed is our gadget player, and does just about everything very well
Wicks seems like a possession receiver, great route runner, strong.
all seem to block well, all are young and havn't reached there ceiling yet, a problem in remission
Musgrave may have more athletic ability then Kraft, but he looks slow this season, and looks like he's thinking to much.
I'd add more but need more coffee
haha, I think it's a age thing, us oldies know, that saying it's a interesting problem to have means, it's good, were just not sure how good it is, or what part is the best, just yet, should we order more jo and discuss it further.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 13:42Yoop wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 06:38he did, he said it's interesting, I agree with that assumption, I'd think we all would, it also opens a door for discussion.
Doubs usually seems like a last resort receiver, or the first read on 3rd down
Watson for all his speed rarely seems wide open, good with contested catches, love that fight for the ball ability he shows.
Reed is our gadget player, and does just about everything very well
Wicks seems like a possession receiver, great route runner, strong.
all seem to block well, all are young and havn't reached there ceiling yet, a problem in remission
Musgrave may have more athletic ability then Kraft, but he looks slow this season, and looks like he's thinking to much.
I'd add more but need more coffee
plus it's 3 games after this thread started, so we've seen a little more now, I imagine this WR thread will be hit again and again as this season progresses.
I still think Reed will have the most touches, right now I think he's my fav, hell if I was a young man like Stick Jockey RE (APB) I'd probably buy a authentic
Oh good. I hope you are right.APB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 13:36I think Watson has been unfairly pigeonholed due to an unfortunate training regime that created an unbalanced muscular condition along with a former training staff that was basically clueless and had no business running a professional athlete level program.
Those things have all been rectified and Watson has been healthy since. I, personally, am no longer terribly concerned with Watson as a health risk or as injury prone.
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In the context of the Packers offense, "interesting problem" should be self-explanatory....not require further discussion.APB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 09:55I don't see any "problem" with the WR corps whatsoever. They all bring certain talents and qualities that can be taken advantage of on any given play. They all have overlapping foundational talents, too, like blocking and low drop rates.
Having no clear cut, go to receiver is not a "problem" in my mind at all. It's scheme proof from an opponent perspective. Take away short area quickness Reed? Fine, we'll go to Wicks. Take away Doubs on 3rd down? Fine, we'll go Reed or Watson. Press at the line to disrupt the quick passing game? Fine, we'll hit Melton or Watson streaking up the sideline or down the seam. The matchup headaches these guys collectively present are endless.
This WR corps just offers so many options. The fact no one player is relied upon to carry the offense is an advantage, not a problem.
Now, @Yoop, if you wanna talk about individual attributes each brings to the table, that's something else entirely.
I suppose I may need to copy/paste some dictionary definitions with you, too…RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 20:57In the context of the Packers offense, "interesting problem" should be self-explanatory....not require further discussion.APB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 09:55I don't see any "problem" with the WR corps whatsoever. They all bring certain talents and qualities that can be taken advantage of on any given play. They all have overlapping foundational talents, too, like blocking and low drop rates.
Having no clear cut, go to receiver is not a "problem" in my mind at all. It's scheme proof from an opponent perspective. Take away short area quickness Reed? Fine, we'll go to Wicks. Take away Doubs on 3rd down? Fine, we'll go Reed or Watson. Press at the line to disrupt the quick passing game? Fine, we'll hit Melton or Watson streaking up the sideline or down the seam. The matchup headaches these guys collectively present are endless.
This WR corps just offers so many options. The fact no one player is relied upon to carry the offense is an advantage, not a problem.
Now, @Yoop, if you wanna talk about individual attributes each brings to the table, that's something else entirely.
I think everyone agrees that for success on the field, it doesn't matter who is labeled WR1, as long as they produce as a group. It's only an interesting question in the "if I had to buy one WR jersey, whose would I get" -sense, or for fun thought experiments like "what should our WRs' ratings be in Madden".APB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 23:08I suppose I may need to copy/paste some dictionary definitions with you, too…RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 20:57In the context of the Packers offense, "interesting problem" should be self-explanatory....not require further discussion.APB wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024 09:55I don't see any "problem" with the WR corps whatsoever. They all bring certain talents and qualities that can be taken advantage of on any given play. They all have overlapping foundational talents, too, like blocking and low drop rates.
Having no clear cut, go to receiver is not a "problem" in my mind at all. It's scheme proof from an opponent perspective. Take away short area quickness Reed? Fine, we'll go to Wicks. Take away Doubs on 3rd down? Fine, we'll go Reed or Watson. Press at the line to disrupt the quick passing game? Fine, we'll hit Melton or Watson streaking up the sideline or down the seam. The matchup headaches these guys collectively present are endless.
This WR corps just offers so many options. The fact no one player is relied upon to carry the offense is an advantage, not a problem.
Now, @Yoop, if you wanna talk about individual attributes each brings to the table, that's something else entirely.
One thing I thought about is that all this sharing the load and production will get interesting when the WRs start getting to contract extension time... Luckily we won't have to worry about that just yet, partially because there's no superstar WR1 demanding early extension.