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Absolutely. There are ALSO, meaning in addition, valid reasons why Love was the reason Love struggled at times this year.Yoop wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:03facts are drawn conclusions that often don't include the reasons for those conclusions, such as poor route running or dropped passes, lack of ability to sustain the run which cause tougher blocking assignments.
also the learning curve for Love to read pass rush and defensive alignments pre snap, hindering adjusting his blockers, also took Lafleur about 6 games to use a two back set to pick up blitz and stunts, there are valid reasons Love struggled at times this year, and plenty out of his control.
Love would be doing what he's doing now earlier with vet receivers, better blocking assignments, and a healthy JonesPckfn23 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:05Absolutely. There are ALSO, meaning in addition, valid reasons why Love was the reason Love struggled at times this year.Yoop wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:03facts are drawn conclusions that often don't include the reasons for those conclusions, such as poor route running or dropped passes, lack of ability to sustain the run which cause tougher blocking assignments.
also the learning curve for Love to read pass rush and defensive alignments pre snap, hindering adjusting his blockers, also took Lafleur about 6 games to use a two back set to pick up blitz and stunts, there are valid reasons Love struggled at times this year, and plenty out of his control.
Love needed time to mature into the starting roll. Regardless of anything outside of his play, Love was not playing as well earlier in the season as he is now. All those other improvements also helped his play become better, but he was also A reason why he wasn't playing as well. He has improved himself these last 3 months. He also has more room to improve. Should he make that next jump in the offseason, and I believe he will, he will be a top QB in the league for many years.Yoop wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:15Love would be doing what he's doing now earlier with vet receivers, better blocking assignments, and a healthy JonesPckfn23 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:05Absolutely. There are ALSO, meaning in addition, valid reasons why Love was the reason Love struggled at times this year.Yoop wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:03facts are drawn conclusions that often don't include the reasons for those conclusions, such as poor route running or dropped passes, lack of ability to sustain the run which cause tougher blocking assignments.
also the learning curve for Love to read pass rush and defensive alignments pre snap, hindering adjusting his blockers, also took Lafleur about 6 games to use a two back set to pick up blitz and stunts, there are valid reasons Love struggled at times this year, and plenty out of his control.
Three options! WooHoo!Labrev wrote: ↑02 Jan 2024 21:34I could see Wicks eventually becoming that guy; he's got a lot of Adams to his game. Watson too maybe, the sky is the limit for him, but he needs to refine his game a lot and stay healthy. Or even Musgrave, a TE with that kind of athleticism can in effect be a #1 receiver.
I think it's WAY more future-based than what you are giving credit for. He has a lot of natural ability that makes you wonder if his ceiling is a little bit higher than some of these guys. Not that it isn't with the others, as well, but will they hit it? It will really be interesting to see what the pecking order looks like next year... not to mention we could surprise people in The Draft and add to that group.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 15:02I mean, certainly it could turn out to be true. And I do like the flashes. But the consistent drum beat from all over Packerland that "maybe Wicks is our best WR" is, at this point, still laughable.
I am unaware of any justifiable blame toward Jordan Love this season. I put the blame squarely on LaCoach for not preparing Jordan Love properly.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:05Absolutely. There are ALSO, meaning in addition, valid reasons why Love was the reason Love struggled at times this year.Yoop wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 14:03facts are drawn conclusions that often don't include the reasons for those conclusions, such as poor route running or dropped passes, lack of ability to sustain the run which cause tougher blocking assignments.
also the learning curve for Love to read pass rush and defensive alignments pre snap, hindering adjusting his blockers, also took Lafleur about 6 games to use a two back set to pick up blitz and stunts, there are valid reasons Love struggled at times this year, and plenty out of his control.
the cool thing to say is Wicks will be a #1. Let us have our moment and give ourselves the opportunity to see in 2025, "I called it"YoHoChecko wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 15:02Three options! WooHoo!Labrev wrote: ↑02 Jan 2024 21:34I could see Wicks eventually becoming that guy; he's got a lot of Adams to his game. Watson too maybe, the sky is the limit for him, but he needs to refine his game a lot and stay healthy. Or even Musgrave, a TE with that kind of athleticism can in effect be a #1 receiver.
Also... I like Wicks a lot, but the confirmation bias of Packers fans going from having a draft crush on a guy to continually mentioning him as possibly emerging as our best WR despite being clearly outplayed by Jayden Reed and seeing the impact of having Watson on/off the field still always makes me chuckle.
I mean, certainly it could turn out to be true. And I do like the flashes. But the consistent drum beat from all over Packerland that "maybe Wicks is our best WR" is, at this point, still laughable.
It's just SO ubiquitous. It's even in packer-adjacent media circles--people who ID'd him as a likely Packers target and then casually follow the team this year--I think Trevor Sikkema from PFF and a guy from the Ringer made the comments to. Beat guys like Paul Bretl who LOVED Wicks pre-draft and then during camp wrote an article explaining why Wicks may be better than Reed. How interesting, journo-scout: the guy you loved that was picked in the 5th might be better than the guy you didn't like that was picked in the 2nd? Groundbreaking analysis without a shred of confirmation bias.NCF wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 15:22I think it's WAY more future-based than what you are giving credit for. He has a lot of natural ability that makes you wonder if his ceiling is a little bit higher than some of these guys. Not that it isn't with the others, as well, but will they hit it? It will really be interesting to see what the pecking order looks like next year... not to mention we could surprise people in The Draft and add to that group.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 15:02I mean, certainly it could turn out to be true. And I do like the flashes. But the consistent drum beat from all over Packerland that "maybe Wicks is our best WR" is, at this point, still laughable.
I agree and while part of that has to be innate, I also think you can develop a culture of "want to" in a room and I thought (despite being a HUGE fan) that Christian Watson was going to need to be in a culture of want-to in order to take the steps he needs to take. When he plays with the "my ball mentality," he's unstoppable. When he thinks too much, he striggles with drops and concentration (let's leave the health out of it).musclestang wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 16:13The thing I'm getting from all those guys, Kraft, Reed, Wicks, Doubs, Heath even is a whole lotta "want to". They want that ball, they want to snatch it out of the air, they want to make you miss, run you over, move the chains, get the score, whatever. just give them a chance and it's all effort after that. I just see it whenever they get opportunities lately in how they catch, how they make breaks, how they run after. You can see the desire, and all have more than enough physically.
Not that the other guys were terrible prospects or don't care at all, but that extra bit of desire seemed always missing in guys like St. Brown, Toure, etc. They had measurables, but that's not enough in this league.
And Lazard.
From AcmepackingcompanyWhen the Green Bay Packers chose to give quarterback Jordan Love a one-year extension, rather than picking up his fifth-year option last offseason, part of the deal was that much of Love’s potential 2024 compensation would be tied to incentives. With just one week left in the regular season, let’s take a look at what’s at stake for Love in the final game of the season.
As of now, Love is in a safe range to add $2 million in escalators to his $6 million cash flow next season. The following incentives are either on pace to be hit, by a decent margin, or have already been clinched:
65 percent of offensive snaps — $500,000 (clinched)
Top 16 in passing touchdowns — $500,000 (ranks 3rd)
Top 10 in passing touchdowns — $500,000 (ranks 3rd)
Top 16 in passing yards — $500,000 (ranks 10th)
On top of the $2 million there, though, there’s another $2.5 million available to be earned with individual performance escalators, depending on how good Love’s numbers are against the Chicago Bears in Week 18. Below are the escalators that Love is within striking range of:
Top 16 passer rating - $500,000 (11th)
Top 10 passing yards - $500,000 (10th)
Top 10 passer rating - $500,000 (10th)
Top 16 completion percentage - $500,000 (21st)
Top 10 completion percentage - $500,000 (21st)
Love would need a pretty incredible performance to hit those completion percentage marks, but it’s not impossible for him to earn those. Beyond just the individual performance escalators, Love will earn an extra $500,000 in 2024 salary if the Packers make the playoffs. As a reminder, Green Bay is win-and-in against the Bears, meaning that Love’s escalators can jump from $2 million to $6 million with a dominant win versus Chicago. For a guy who has made a career total of $19.9 million in the NFL, an extra $4 million seems like it would be plenty of motivation to have a strong end to the regular season.
If the Packers do advance to the playoffs, there are even more options for Love to make some extra money next year. Green Bay will pay out an extra $500,000 for a playoff win or winning the NFC. A Super Bowl win would come with an extra $1 million pay bump.
And Martin.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024 20:54And Lazard.
I'm honestly not sure what the point of this is anymore...?