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Sorry if I misread it, but it read as if you had dismissed it out of hand as having no credibility what so ever.
they are not independent, I bet you saw MVS run a GOOD route on that miss from Mahomes, when as I've been saying he runs poor routes, it is the WRs job to get to the pitch point, when you see a ball 3 or 4 feet away from the receiver 90% ( guess 23) of the time the receiver failed, you and others blame the QB.Labrev wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:02The observations made about Rodgers here relate to things that exist independently of the players around him.Yoop wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 11:53another attempt to claim Rodgers lost it, never mind the lack of experience at WR, or poor pass pro which forced him to evade, Lafleur has dialed back the pitch point of our routes, which should have helped Rodgers get rid of the ball quicker ( when receivers get open on schedule his release is near quickest in the league), again the receiver situation last season ( not getting open, dropped passes, wrong routes)
His deep ball accuracy or passes not having enough air under them is not a WR or OL thing, it's an age/arm thing.
His legs not being able to evade defenders DL/LBs he could once evade is not a supporting cast thing, it's an athleticism thing.
By the way, nobody is claiming he is washed/done here, or even that he is not still "good," just that he is not Elite.
I am not saying he isn't training, but there is a difference in doing the minimum and living it to stay at the top of your game past the time father time usually wins. Again, not saying he isn't doing any of this, but it is food for thought and makes me, at least, wonder if he has been more about mental "health" than physical health.BSA wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:06I think you can find plenty of articles and quotes talking about how AR works on his body all year round and has a full routine to get himself physically ready for the season. He also trains in the offseason at ProActive Performance with Bakh, Clark, Love ( and Matthews ) and others in Westlake Village. Not sure about the TB12 avocado toast, but there's plenty of info on Rodgers training/nutrition to keep his body & mind sharp over the course of his 18 yr career. No chance you can last that long in this league if you're slacking.
You're preaching to the choir, anonymous scout.“Where the biggest question mark comes in is how he should play and how he wants to play. They don’t marry,” the scout said. “He should play in a system that gets the ball out quick – honestly, what (Packers coach Matt) LaFleur wanted to do, but Aaron likes to do something different. If he goes to a different place and just wants to drop back and throw the ball all the time, it’s going to be rough.”
wtf, MVS??? Man, you must have been dying to say that to me.Yoop wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:16they are not independent, I bet you saw MVS run a GOOD route on that miss from Mahomes, when as I've been saying he runs poor routes, it is the WRs job to get to the pitch point, when you see a ball 3 or 4 feet away from the receiver 90% ( guess 23) of the time the receiver failed, you and others blame the QB.
The thumb can only be used as an excuse if you actually admit that his individual play (i.e. throws) were actually poor; an injury only matters if it affects the player's play. As long as you keep insisting that Rodgers's throws were fine, which is still your contention to my knowledge, then his thumb cannot reasonably also be seen/used as an issue.ya also have played down the thumb issue so as to just saw Rodgers is over the hill, when you know damn well the thumb is key to throwing a accurate football.
I know, that's what makes it so sad.I don't care for him much.
I've had a lifetime of training in clinical science and there's a big difference between marketing claims and medical claims. There is no clinical evidence to support anything TB12 does - Why ? Because it costs an immense amount of money to conduct those rigorous trials and the results are far from certain. TB12 health may work, it may not. So we're back to maybe again.
That's a legitimate complaint. And its been an issue with AR and MLF for some time now. And its why many fans are ready to move on to Love because they'd like to see what MLF offense really looks like. Same issue with the young WRs- they learn MLF playbook, but Rodgers wants to run a hybrid of MLF and AR - except the AR playbook isn't on their laptops. Big Dog and Cobb know it, hence his love for those guys
DAMN! I was hoping for a fun story about tea time and corgis.
It's also about tendencies and what a defenses and offenses can and can't do. It would seem to me, though, that it's a bit to coincidental that this is happening over the last year. Had the play not matched the comments, ie... 2020 or 2021, I would agree the Scout is completely full of &%$@, but now... As for nothing to study, I would say the top 5 QBs in the league, at least, can read a defense like Rodgers can. So there may be something to study in that sense. At the same time it wouldn't take much for Rodgers just to say, "I've seen it all so no need to watch extra tape..." Not saying he is saying that.I've commented on the idea that DCs might be able to influence Rodgers by showing him something pre-snap and then switching it up post- snap.
Its a chess match and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. But I'm not sure how you'd study for it since very few of the other QBs that DC faced are similar to AR in terms of his pre-snap reads, getting defenses to declare and having an encyclopedia of options to beat it.
He knows that they know that he knows they know and they know he knows it too. And that's why sometimes, AR /MLF outsmart themselves when instead they should just line up and take what they want... instead of relying on all the cerebral stuff. But that's not a preparation thing imo
So I don't think we can use that as supporting evidence that Rodgers isn't putting in the work.
That allegation just seems so out of character for him.
I don't think you realize how little this aspect of it actually matters to me. My hot takes are 100% on him the player, 0% on him the person. I actually usually agree with his worldly takes, such as the Biden regime being a fake White House.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bu ... f97e78e620According to recent odds that were released by Bookies.com, Tampa Bay holds the top odds to land Carr at +250 which is an implied probability of 28.6%. Two other NFC South teams - Carolina (+300) and New Orleans (+400) - sit right on the Buccaneers' heels. Other teams to make the list include the New York Jets (+625), Indianapolis (+1000), and Houston (+1400).
Oh, your going full weeds on this one, I didn't make a claim that what he does is or is not scientifically proven, just that it is well documented from too many sources that his physical health is a top priority for him in the offseason.BSA wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:42I've had a lifetime of training in clinical science and there's a big difference between marketing claims and medical claims. There is no clinical evidence to support anything TB12 does - Why ? Because it costs an immense amount of money to conduct those rigorous trials and the results are far from certain. TB12 health may work, it may not. So we're back to maybe again.
"Many online reviews by those who’ve tried the diet are positive, but critics point out that the diet is unnecessarily complex, unsustainable in the long term, and not supported by science."
BOTTOM LINE: The Tom Brady Diet, or TB12 Method, is a whole-foods-based diet that may aid weight loss, protect against diseases, and boost your sports performance and recovery. Still, it’s very restrictive and many principles are not based on sound science making it difficult to maintain long term."
The FDA regulates what medical claims you can make and if you don't have the evidence to back it up, you can't make those claims
So they simply change the words. Instead of claiming it does something, you insert the word "may" - and then you can make any claim you like.
" Following the TB12 diet may allow you to become the King of England"
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ya can't go off a medical report to claim a thumb wasn't a issue, I played 3 games once with a broken toe, players play with injury all the time.Labrev wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:42wtf, MVS??? Man, you must have been dying to say that to me.Yoop wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:16they are not independent, I bet you saw MVS run a GOOD route on that miss from Mahomes, when as I've been saying he runs poor routes, it is the WRs job to get to the pitch point, when you see a ball 3 or 4 feet away from the receiver 90% ( guess 23) of the time the receiver failed, you and others blame the QB.
But no, a pass not having enough air to go where it needs to go is not an issue that is affected by a WR's route-running.
You might argue that the WR did not run to the exact correct spot, but it's not actually that difficult to tell apart miscommunication from the QB underthrowing. Like, pretty much everybody who saw the MVS pass knows that the ball didn't get to its target because the receiver did not run it right, not because the pass lacked zip.
Oh man, the MVS example was actually quite useful to me! Thanks.
The thumb can only be used as an excuse if you actually admit that his individual play (i.e. throws) were actually poor; an injury only matters if it affects the player's play. As long as you keep insisting that Rodgers's throws were fine, which is still your contention to my knowledge, then his thumb cannot reasonably also be seen/used as an issue.ya also have played down the thumb issue so as to just saw Rodgers is over the hill, when you know damn well the thumb is key to throwing a accurate football.
Regardless, the thumb was not an issue ALL year. He was off the injury report for it in Week 18 iirc vs. DET, and in that game, a lot of his long passes sailed on him. His INT to double-covered Watson on his last pass of the game was *ugly*...
Which leads to another, compounding issue: the weather was bad that game, but bad weather at home is par for the course as the QB1 for Green Bay. Do we really want to rely on the arm of a 40 year old in *this* stadium?
I know, that's what makes it so sad.I don't care for him much.
McCarthy was and still is a great coach, your confused just as are a lot of fans who think McCarthy didn't want to do this or that, he didn't want to not run the football, which people thought, he simply didn't want to run if it didn't provide good down and distance, which it usually didn't, when Ted drafted Lacy McCarthy ran the ball more.Labrev wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023 12:51I don't think you realize how little this aspect of it actually matters to me. My hot takes are 100% on him the player, 0% on him the person. I actually usually agree with his worldly takes, such as the Biden regime being a fake White House.
I "hate" Rodgers the way I hated McCarthy. Mac's bumbling incomeptence is not bothersome to me now that it's ruining a different team. I actually find it endearing now.
When it was coming at our expense, though, yes, I became a hater of his. People didn't like it. I get that. Thing is, I don't like the team being run into the ground.
I will like Rodgers fine as he throws into double-coverage in the playoffs for a different team. It will no longer be my problem. And I will probably regret it as much as I regret us moving on from Mac (I don't).
So were Rodgers's passes actually poorer as a result of the injury or no?
Well everybody actually thinks it was a poorly run route rather than an underthrown pass, so it was actually a terrible example (for your argument).I used mVS because he is a great example of what many think is a inaccurate pass when actually it's a poorly run route,
This is such an embarrassingly inaccurate summation of my position. I never expect "perfection" in any sense. You just get too hung up over the overarching conclusion indicting Rodgers that you get agitated and throw all nuance out the window.you've expected perfection from Rodgers, yet don't for the receivers,
I can and I will. The whole "elite QB on an elite contract"--model only works if the QB is playing dominant enough football to cover up for other roster weaknesses, as Pat Mahomes just did. KC won it with like 11 rookies forced into meaningful action season. It's all because they had Pat truly playing like the MVP.don't bring up his contract or any of that stuff about him needing to be better because of it, thats just stupid ploy to strengthen your already feeble position.
You don't have to be able to see the future that it's way easier to retool for the future if you have more resources to make moves rather than fewer.my only dog in this fight, or care is winning NOW, the future has always held to many unknowns to do any more then make basic plans, often even those don't pan out, probably why I've never put a lot of thought into a rebuild, ya simply just retool as you go along,
Actually, I usually defer to the coaches... until/unless they discredit their judgment very clearly.
I've not discussed under thrown passes once, however don't you suppose that could be a issue with the thumb? come on now turn the light bulb on, that should be obvious, with at least some of the under thrown passes anyway.
You are correct! However, the convo goes on to beg the question WHY is Rodgers still the best option over Love?
