Just off the top of my head, Geno Smith is another one who struggled early but found latter career success.
Smith is a good example although he only started a total of five games after his second season before becoming the starter in Seattle last year in his ninth season in the league.
I don't understand your attempted disqualifier. If anything, it further disproves the narrative that QBs can't/don't improve over time (before age regression sets in) in things like accuracy, decision making, etc., as you have argued.
Perhaps it'd have been wiser to simply leave it at "Smith is a good example..." and moved on.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I don't understand your attempted disqualifier. If anything, it further disproves the narrative that QBs can't/don't improve over time (before age regression sets in) in things like accuracy, decision making, etc., as you have argued.
Perhaps it'd have been wiser to simply leave it at "Smith is a good example..." and moved on.
I didn't mean that as a disqualifier at all, Smith is a good example.
Just wanted to point out that he wasn't a starter from his third season on until he received a chance with the Seahawks last year.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 10 Nov 2023 10:33
by Pckfn23
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Those of you so quick to label Love as a bust, please read Cliff Christl's column about how long it took Bart Starr to establish himself and what he went through. https://www.packers.com/news/yes-vince- ... n-meredith
Can't compare the eras.
Any current players that were this bad in their 4th year and then turned it around?
Matt Stafford in his 4th year had a 59.8% completion rate, 20 TDs and 17 INTs, QBR 79.8.
Yuh but 41 and 16 the year before.
Real answers please.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Those of you so quick to label Love as a bust, please read Cliff Christl's column about how long it took Bart Starr to establish himself and what he went through. https://www.packers.com/news/yes-vince- ... n-meredith
Can't compare the eras.
Any current players that were this bad in their 4th year and then turned it around?
Are there any posters that have been on this forum for 4 years that can’t figure out;
That it’s Love’s 1st year starting
There is a difference between practice and playing in games
Love didn’t initially have training camp his first year due to Covid
Rodgers had Driver,Jennings, Jones, Lee, and Ryan Grant
Favre had Sharpe
Love has…….
Time will tell but because of the inexperience around him, it’ll take longer with Love.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Any current players that were this bad in their 4th year and then turned it around?
Matt Stafford in his 4th year had a 59.8% completion rate, 20 TDs and 17 INTs, QBR 79.8.
Yuh but 41 and 16 the year before.
Real answers please.
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Matt Stafford in his 4th year had a 59.8% completion rate, 20 TDs and 17 INTs, QBR 79.8.
Yuh but 41 and 16 the year before.
Real answers please.
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Context should then also include players who have not played but a handful of meaningful snaps their first three years and then were thrust into the starting QB role with a bunch of year 1-2 players. Context goes both ways.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 11 Nov 2023 07:23
by BF004
Ryan Fitzmagic
Right or wrong, there simply won’t be a fair comparison for Love, other than Rodgers, which is unfair in its own right.
Unfair to compare Love to rookies, unfair to compare him to fourth year players. What we did with him simply doesn’t happen, outside of Aaron.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 11 Nov 2023 08:02
by go pak go
The Matthew Stafford comparisons aren't actually terrible.
Love does the side arm throw a lot which is something Stafford loves to do.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 11 Nov 2023 08:26
by Labrev
Ryan Tannehill
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 11 Nov 2023 08:36
by Yoop
it isn't fair to compare Love to Rodgers starting seasons, Rodgers had everything Love hasn't, consistent OL, quality RB versus Dillon, experienced WR versus 1st and 2nd year receivers, nothings the same, it's getting better because Jones is finally healthy, the receivers are getting some chaps, and the OL is starting to gain some consistency, that is till there penalized by very inconsistent officiating, who at times seems like our worst opponent.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Certainly possible, but "in their 4th year" isn't the same as "by season 4".
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Stafford by and large didn't have it figured out by Year 4. Or Year 5.
He had basically one good year until 2016.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Just passing through, but it appears you asked for a specific example, was given one, then moved the goalpost to include the 3rd year, after you'd asked just for the 4th. What am I missing?
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Stafford by and large didn't have it figured out by Year 4. Or Year 5.
He had basically one good year until 2016.
by what measure? he had excellent stats year 3 and had a 63 plus completion ratio and a 97 plus QBR, Stafford like all QB's depend on supporting cast, I remember people saying Stafford sucked around here for years, not saying you, but that was the opinion of Stafford by many, he goes to LAR and they win a SB, hopefully Love can become Stafford good
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
I don't have a horse in this race, but context was that of what QB didn't have it figured out by season 4 and then did.
Stafford by and large didn't have it figured out by Year 4. Or Year 5.
He had basically one good year until 2016.
by what measure? he had excellent stats year 3 and had a 63 plus completion ratio and a 97 plus QBR, Stafford like all QB's depend on supporting cast, I remember people saying Stafford sucked around here for years, not saying you, but that was the opinion of Stafford by many, he goes to LAR and they win a SB, hopefully Love can become Stafford good
I have never seen someone who loves to fight as much as you.
Without question it is your favorite past-time. Nothing or no-one will convince me otherwise. I have witnessed too much.
Re: Jordan Love 2023 Expectation/Player Comparison
Posted: 11 Nov 2023 13:25
by Cdragon
Stafford started out trying to emulate Favre and be the gun slinger. Later he seemed to be trying to play more like AR more of the sniper.
