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The guys that were dogs in college are still dogs in the NFL: Basically guys like Jaire and even Quay.
But for years the packers have drafted raw talent that they project to be able to develop. These are guys that even though they had crazy amounts of talent, they STILL under produced in college. Gary is a good example.
.... your example is, the best player on this team?
He is a perfect example of the draft philosophy. Low production in college, great measurables, years to develop.
Toss up outcome.
Josh Jackson had great production in college. He was so easy to fall in love with by watching his tape.
Honestly drafting just isn't straightforward at all.
nobody wants to say it out loud, so i guess I will have to be the forum bad guy once again:
Rashan Gary has been a ghost since signing his big deal.
I was actually hoping someone would say this, so that I would say THIS : (1) it's been two games; (2) upon review, Gary drew extra attention from the opposing offenses we faced, especially PIT, which still benefits the defense because it takes pressure off of others i.e. makes it easier to make a play.
even though you have great hair, i would not expect anything different from the founder of the #garygang.
Only a member of GaryGang would consider paying 90m+ for 4.5 sacks in a season as a good return on investment.
Gary has been mid. those of us not in gary cult see it clearly.
Honestly, when college football fans talk about draft prospects, I mostly tune them out.
Now if it is related to a specific skill, like dropped passes, that has some actual value, but takes like "he got burned against Oklahoma State; he's not a Top 10 prospect" go into the wastebin.
Those people just don't get it.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
nobody wants to say it out loud, so i guess I will have to be the forum bad guy once again:
Rashan Gary has been a ghost since signing his big deal.
I was actually hoping someone would say this, so that I would say THIS : (1) it's been two games; (2) upon review, Gary drew extra attention from the opposing offenses we faced, especially PIT, which still benefits the defense because it takes pressure off of others i.e. makes it easier to make a play.
even though you have great hair, i would not expect anything different from the founder of the #garygang.
Only a member of GaryGang would consider paying 90m+ for 4.5 sacks in a season as a good return on investment.
Gary has been mid. those of us not in gary cult see it clearly.
Gary hasn’t been mid. He’s been a terrific pressure generator. More finished would be nice. What’s holding him back is stopping the run. Something I think he is close to is being Brandon Graham, also from Michigan who was just terrific off the edge but never generated the sacks. If Gary is that it’s still good value.
He’s gotta start holding the edge better and stop over pursuing and losing his gap.
Lot of college production on that list and a lot of NFL busts.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Low production in college, great measurables, years to develop.
Toss up outcome.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Low production in college, great measurables, years to develop.
Toss up outcome.
ya and the original take is still true lol
low production withgood measurablesis very much toss up territory.
Because there is a reason a player has the physical tools to dominate and yet does not.
Again, not the original take.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I will say that at ILB and RB, I make an exception, and to a lesser extent S and OL. Those are positions where you need the smarts to be at least solid (at RB, vision) and if you don't have it by college, it's probably not gonna happen.
Every other position (EDGE, QB, WR, TE, DL, most OL, and CB)... get great traits.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
Great measurables and great college production both come with their pitfalls when trying to predict NFL production.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
nobody wants to say it out loud, so i guess I will have to be the forum bad guy once again:
Rashan Gary has been a ghost since signing his big deal.
I was actually hoping someone would say this, so that I would say THIS : (1) it's been two games; (2) upon review, Gary drew extra attention from the opposing offenses we faced, especially PIT, which still benefits the defense because it takes pressure off of others i.e. makes it easier to make a play.
even though you have great hair, i would not expect anything different from the founder of the #garygang.
Only a member of GaryGang would consider paying 90m+ for 4.5 sacks in a season as a good return on investment.
Gary has been mid. those of us not in gary cult see it clearly.
ahhhh, he's on pace for 50 pressures and has been recovering from a ACL and on a pitch count, I wish he could finish with more sacks, but he 's very close on many of his pressures, little better edge contain ( 99.5% edge rushers suck at edge contain)
I didn't like the pick, but not many complaints with the player.
horse manure , nothing takes the place for a eye for talent, from a great scout, if all that mattered was ras scores there would be no need to employ scouts all that would be needed is data tabulators , instead of general managers, you could just incorporate AI, the pressers would consist of a talking Robot
horse manure , nothing takes the place for a eye for talent, from a great scout, if all that mattered was ras scores there would be no need to employ scouts all that would be needed is data tabulators , instead of general managers, you could just incorporate AI, the pressers would consist of a talking Robot
Yeah because the 50% at bat rates of scouts in the first round gives me confidence in their eye for talent.
horse manure , nothing takes the place for a eye for talent, from a great scout, if all that mattered was ras scores there would be no need to employ scouts all that would be needed is data tabulators , instead of general managers, you could just incorporate AI, the pressers would consist of a talking Robot
Scouts serve certain purposes which can't be substituted with RAS but at the end of the day, there is a minimum athletic threshold needed to be an NFL player at all that every prospect has to meet to even have a chance to stay on a roster and see the field, much less be any good.
There are no sub-par athletes among the elite NFL players, they are all physical freaks.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
horse manure , nothing takes the place for a eye for talent, from a great scout, if all that mattered was ras scores there would be no need to employ scouts all that would be needed is data tabulators , instead of general managers, you could just incorporate AI, the pressers would consist of a talking Robot
Yeah because the 50% at bat rates of scouts in the first round gives me confidence in their eye for talent.
can you imagine the miss rate if all we went off was ras scores, and actually the hit rate does exceed 50% for all positions
: (1) it's been two games; (2) upon review, Gary drew extra attention from the opposing offenses we faced, especially PIT, which still benefits the defense because it takes pressure off of others i.e. makes it easier to make a play.
, nothing takes the place for a eye for talent, from a great scout, if all that mattered was ras scores there would be no need to employ scouts 
all that would be needed is data tabulators 
, instead of general managers, you could just incorporate AI, the pressers would consist of a talking Robot 
