Rams @ Packers - NFCD Playoff GDT - 1/16 - 3:35 PM CST

[go pak go]

Gary was a stupid pick, it took him a year to be a good rotational player, a slot 12 pick after spending 100 mil on the same position is not wise, we needed help elsewhere last year, it took that depth player a year to be that.

everyone drops a pass, just like everyone makes a spectaculer catch once in a while, it's the ones that do less of the first thing and more of the 2nd will keep a QB throwing them the ball, for christ sakes scantling haS A 50% CATCH RATE, those stats don't lie.

If you could watch the game yesterday and call Rashan Gary a depth player... then I cannot help you. He was absolutely a game changer and has been trending that way all season.

I didn't like the pick at the time, and he has been a backup rotational player most of his first 2 years, I expect more from a 12 slot pick then most here it seems.

This is what I don't understand. You love brining up the fact that first rounders have a 50% bust rate. Gary is clearly showing he is not going to be that player. He is clearly showing he is going to be an impact player and has the character you want to back it up.

So just the fact he is showing he won't be a bust should be good enough. At a premium position. And a player who is starting to tilt the field.

I mean when our defense needed to stop drives in the 2nd half yesterday when it got close because our offense beat themselves...it was Gary who stopped the Rams momentum train on at least two drives. Gary is just as responsible as any other one individual player for winning that game yesterday. That #12 pick could be a key cog in our 2020 Lombardi Trophy story. In his 2nd season. That is exactly what you want from a 12th pick.

[Yoop]

I wanted to come in here and burn @Yoop,

who doesn't???????????

never said MVS had a bad game, what I said was Rodgers didn't either, and I disagree Scantling didn't even jump to make that finger tipper a easier ball to catch, Rodgers had a couple less then perfect throws, big deal, same with those two throws into tight coverage in the EZ, when he doesn't gamble on throws like that people complain, when there completed for TD's he's a goat, when there almost picked, then people say he makes poor decisions, Rodgers can't win with this crowd.

[NCF]

I wanted to come in here and burn @Yoop,

who doesn't???????????

never said MVS had a bad game, what I said was Rodgers didn't either, and I disagree Scantling didn't even jump to make that finger tipper a easier ball to catch, Rodgers had a couple less then perfect throws, big deal, same with those two throws into tight coverage in the EZ, when he doesn't gamble on throws like that people complain, when there completed for TD's he's a goat, when there almost picked, then people say he makes poor decisions, Rodgers can't win with this crowd.

I am not coming down on Rodgers at all. A QB is going to miss a ball here and there and a QB is going to have some passes go high or low or both. It happens. My comment was specifically when you mentioned the 50% catch rate I went straight to the box score thinking "well, it wasn't 50% yesterday, it was much better!!", but then I checked and it wasn't. When I started going through the targets that he didn't catch, there was nothing there that was BAD MVS, so brings me back to what I thought while watching the game, MVS had a really, really nice day.

[go pak go]

Man rewatching the game.

Kevin King was bad yesterday.

Our defense is elite when Kevin King has a good day. I pitty the team who ends up paying him.

But in the meantime, he is another player we just need two games from. Be the Tennessee Titans game Kevin King and this defense will make heads turn these next two games.

[NCF]

Man rewatching the game.

Kevin King was bad yesterday.

Our defense is elite when Kevin King has a good day. I pitty the team who ends up paying him.

But in the meantime, he is another player we just need two games from. Be the Tennessee Titans game Kevin King and this defense will make heads turn these next two games.

There was a point, I think early in the 4th quarter when Goff was like 18 for 20 or something ridiculous and the Packers went man, bump-and-run across the 3 WR's and what do you know? Incomplete pass. I don't know what is happening between LaFleur, Pettine, and King, but so much big cushion, off coverage again and Goff took it, and took it, and took it.

[Yoop]

If you could watch the game yesterday and call Rashan Gary a depth player... then I cannot help you. He was absolutely a game changer and has been trending that way all season.

I didn't like the pick at the time, and he has been a backup rotational player most of his first 2 years, I expect more from a 12 slot pick then most here it seems.

This is what I don't understand. You love brining up the fact that first rounders have a 50% bust rate. Gary is clearly showing he is not going to be that player. He is clearly showing he is going to be an impact player and has the character you want to back it up.

So just the fact he is showing he won't be a bust should be good enough. At a premium position. And a player who is starting to tilt the field.

I mean when our defense needed to stop drives in the 2nd half yesterday when it got close because our offense beat themselves...it was Gary who stopped the Rams momentum train on at least two drives. Gary is just as responsible as any other one individual player for winning that game yesterday. That #12 pick could be a key cog in our 2020 Lombardi Trophy story. In his 2nd season. That is exactly what you want from a 12th pick.

ffs you just can't seem to grasp that I like what Gary is now, I simply did not like thwe pick then, wtf is so hard about that to understand, yes about 50% bust, that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, there where other options available, moving back as Guty did to aquire Alexander would have been my choice, and that DT would have helped us stop the run against SF, instead we had Gary riding pine watching a 2nd string RB destroy us.

with Rodgers window closing, I think picking for the future tosses a monkey wrench at the present, then he did it again last year with the Love pick, to say the least I'am not on board for the way Guty has used his last 2 first rounders.

[NCF]

OK, time for my negative take...

Can we please agree to just shoot JK Scott to the moon?

[YoHoChecko]

OK, time for my negative take...

Can we please agree to just shoot JK Scott to the moon?

Honestly, I think he would Jon Ryan us... go on to have a strong, well-above-average career somewhere where the air doesn't turn the football into a rock from December on.

Have we ever had a punter who is good at punting outdoors in December/January?

He's a kid on a rookie contract and he isn't really costing us (like his bad punts are not-good, but not shank disasters, either). much more concerned about the returners and the coverage units getting together and playing well then about replacing the specialists. I think it's just really difficult to punt in the cold.

[go pak go]

OK, time for my negative take...

Can we please agree to just shoot JK Scott to the moon?

I thought he punted very well yesterday. I don't blame the PAT on him.

He punted twice right? And both times pinned inside the 10? What else can you ask for?

[NCF]

OK, time for my negative take...

Can we please agree to just shoot JK Scott to the moon?

I thought he punted very well yesterday. I don't blame the PAT on him.

He punted twice right? And both times pinned inside the 10? What else can you ask for?

How about not flipping the ball to our kicker on a broken play... leading to said kicker getting injured.

[Yoop]

I wanted to come in here and burn @Yoop,

who doesn't???????????

never said MVS had a bad game, what I said was Rodgers didn't either, and I disagree Scantling didn't even jump to make that finger tipper a easier ball to catch, Rodgers had a couple less then perfect throws, big deal, same with those two throws into tight coverage in the EZ, when he doesn't gamble on throws like that people complain, when there completed for TD's he's a goat, when there almost picked, then people say he makes poor decisions, Rodgers can't win with this crowd.

I am not coming down on Rodgers at all. A QB is going to miss a ball here and there and a QB is going to have some passes go high or low or both. It happens. My comment was specifically when you mentioned the 50% catch rate I went straight to the box score thinking "well, it wasn't 50% yesterday, it was much better!!", but then I checked and it wasn't. When I started going through the targets that he didn't catch, there was nothing there that was BAD MVS, so brings me back to what I thought while watching the game, MVS had a really, really nice day.

since you took the time to find out that he does have a 50% catch rate, then it should become clear to you WHY, but just in case it didn't, heres why, he doesn't get open, his best receptions are not the ones where he out guns the DB and excellerates to a 3 to 5 yrd cushion, and catches the perfect pass in his hands from Rodgers, it's the contested balls he muscles away from a DB that Rodgers throws to him because NO one else is any more open then MVS is, now I'am not saying the long thrown balls are easy to catch, just that those in traffic are harder.

and your all over Rodgers after almost every game, the guy can be near perfect, and while you'll say that he was, you'll never fail to point out his one or two fails.

Sal: I agree with you, I think the blocking and run game have eliminated the need this year for a Adams clone, this would seem exactly what Guty and Lafluer where hoping when they decided not to take a WR in last years draft.

[NCF]

I specifically meant yesterday... not the whole season. Also, just knock it off with the Rodgers stuff. All of a sudden I am some Rodgers-hating villain? News to me.

[paco]

It took you people no time at all to get back to bickering about MVS, Gary, Love, Gutey, and each other. Can't you people be happy with something for once? You are all exhausting.

[Mazrimiv]

There was a point, I think early in the 4th quarter when Goff was like 18 for 20 or something ridiculous and the Packers went man, bump-and-run across the 3 WR's and what do you know? Incomplete pass. I don't know what is happening between LaFleur, Pettine, and King, but so much big cushion, off coverage again and Goff took it, and took it, and took it.

I am genuinely curious how much leeway the CB's have when deciding how much cushion to give. There are times when the cushion is so huge it's hard to imagine that it's drawn up that way.

If Pettine came out and said the big cushions are what he wants, and are serving the intended purpose exactly as designed. I would not be surprised.

If Pettine came out and said King is consistently lining up 5 yards deeper than he should be, I certainly would not be surprised.

My suspicion is that both of the above are probably true.

[BF004]

Wow, wanted to come in and read some fun takes about the game, and we are freaking talking about picking Gary 12th, if people are blaming Rodgers, and how good our #2 WR is.

I mean shame on everyone partaking in this crap at this moment allowing these conversations to go here. Get smarter everyone, none of these conversations will clearly ever change. Ever.

[lulu]

OK, time for my negative take...

Can we please agree to just shoot JK Scott to the moon?

I thought he punted very well yesterday. I don't blame the PAT on him.

He punted twice right? And both times pinned inside the 10? What else can you ask for?

Agree. He can, and does do much much worse. Yesterday's game for JK was fine.

[go pak go]

since you took the time to find out that he does have a 50% catch rate, then it should become clear to you WHY, but just in case it didn't, heres why, he doesn't get open, his best receptions are not the ones where he out guns the DB and excellerates to a 3 to 5 yrd cushion, and catches the perfect pass in his hands from Rodgers, it's the contested balls he muscles away from a DB that Rodgers throws to him because NO one else is any more open then MVS is, now I'am not saying the long thrown balls are easy to catch, just that those in traffic are harder.

So I hate generalities and narratives because they are usually wrong.

So if we are just talking about yesterday, the 50% catch rate is very unfair to MVS. He was wide open on really all of his targets except two. Rodgers threw bad balls to MVS on 3 of them.

1. MVS didn't jump high enough to catch the TD
2. Rodgers overthrew a Wide Open MVS for a 95 yard touchdown
3. Rodgers throws a bad ball to MVS on a WR screen on 3rd and 3 that MVS bails out by making a fantastic move to move the chains....two plays later Rodgers hits Lazard for the game sealing TD.

The other where MVS "didn't get open"

1. Rodgers had no business throwing the ball to the endzone before the half. I thought the ball should have been a corner of the endzone to reduce INT liklihood. But the throw was also low to MVS. Again. It was a bad ball but also reallly never had a play there.

2. Rodgers throws to MVS deep on 3rd and 7 as a depseration. Can't blame MVS for getting open deep twice on fly routes in the same series. Thought there was a chance for a flag but the indictment was that 13 and 17 etc. didn't get open.

MVS has his faults. He absolutely has cost TDs this season. At least 3 or 4 on the top of my head. But under no standard or position yesterday did MVS have a bad game

At least yesterday, MVS was not the reason.

It will be a fun topic to talk about in the offseason. Next year is Q's and MVS's last season. Do either of them get a 2nd contract if it is cheap? Or should we look at finding their replacement in this draft?

[Mazrimiv]

No matter how odd the defense has looked at times this year, there is no denying it has been playing MUCH better over the last month of the season and now into the playoffs. Turns out that Gary may actually be good, and if GB can get consistent pressure with 4 again next week they will be punching their ticket to the Superb Owl.

[BF004]

I agree with NCF. Gotta have some situational field awareness. Don’t throw a shovel pass to our 55 year old kicker. Just general football intelligence. Cant make a bad play worse.

Punting was fine, but that is not okay.

[Mazrimiv]

I think it's safe to say at this point that situational awareness isn't really JK's thing. He's more of an in the moment kind of guy.

Such as, "In this moment I am definitely not getting crushed by that huge dude running at me. Let's just toss this ball over to Mason and let him deal with it"

or, "In this moment there is no way in hell I am throwing my body in front of that return guy who's about to go for a TD. That's just crazy talk"